Finalizing the New CBA *All GMs Take a Look*

[shorty]

CBA PROPOSAL - Beginning Season 2029

2029 HC - 89 million SC 59 million
2030 HC - 88 million SC 58 million
2031 HC - 86 million SC 56 million
2032 HC - 84 million SC 55 million

Waivers, current system to stay in place with the HC and SC being lowered, once the 2033 has begun any team over the HC at the time will not be able to use the waiver feature.

Mandatory Top 6 Protection on CY team's 1st Pick
If a team fails to reach 42 wins or reach the playoffs in their CY, then they get expansioned. If the team traded away an unprotected 1st pick in the season following their failed CY season, then there will be mandatory top 5 protection, which will become unprotected the next season if the protection is used. Note, if there WAS protection agreed upon, then this rule will not override the original agreed upon terms.

Camp Changes & New Features


Mentor Camp
Rule of thumb for a Mentor camp is that the player getting mentored is camped a total of +7 attributes in the areas where the mentor was more established in. Im proposing we tweak this camp slightly, I think to make the camp more realistic that we reward the playerd getting mentored based on the quality of the mentor. The bracket for the reward to be between +5 and +8. Any player being adjusted out of position to suit the camp will also affect the result of the camp.

Euro League (FREE)
Have a newly drafted 2nd rounder whos game is just no where near league standards? Give him a stint overseas. A stint overseas will not only boost his ratings it will also boost his loyalty by 25, while also making him rethink his priorities and lower his greed by 25. Their self confidence will also improve. Can only be done once in their career and must stay a whole Season overseas. Can only occur while on their Rookie contract.

+3 Potential
+2 to any other 2 categories

Health Pill $150
Cut 5 days of an injury to your player, can only used once per injury and can not be used on the same injury the Fight Through The Pain option was used on.

Draft Scouting $250
Receive a players real potential and 3 other categories with the accurate rating or 5 others categories with a rating of +/- 5

Draft Scouting camp lowers to $100

*edited out fly in a relative since it was scraped 


MLE & LLE Extensions
To extend an MLE or a LLE an extra Season it will now cost $50 per Season, the max of a 2 Season extension still applies.


Some amendments to the Team Rewards:


15 team blocks = $25
18 team blocks = $40

15 team steals = $25
18 team steals = $40

Get rid of earning cash for forcing team turnovers. It doesn't make much sense. Also, I'll start enforcing these rewards using Excel:

Team scoring PPG at end of season(everyone loves watching offense right?)

1st) $50
2nd) $40
3rd) $30

Winner of Scoring Title (Total points scored in a season, not PPG) +$50
Winner of Rebounding title (Total rebounds in season) +$50
Winner of Assists (Total assists in a season) +$50




*Any last comments/requests? If no, then this will be finalized and in effect by the offseason*

[swish]

I thought "Keep waivers as is" had the most votes

[bundybastard]

We are keeping it as is for the next 4 Seasons, after that a team over the HC will need to get under a different way.

[hambergler]

Looks good

[tyfreak]

Euro League (FREE)
Have a newly drafted 2nd rounder whos game is just no where near league standards? Give him a stint overseas. A stint overseas will not only boost his ratings it will also boost his loyalty by 25, while also making him rethink his priorities and lower his greed by 25. Their self confidence will also improve. Can only be done once in their career and must stay a whole Season overseas. Can only occur while on their Rookie contract.


Wish we had that when we picked Mike Sanders

[BrazilianDude]

Winner of Scoring Title (Total points scored in a season, not PPG) +$50


Is this for a team of player. Bc for team winner of title is same as ppg

[shorty]

Jan 8, 2015 5:11:35 GMT BrazilianDude said:

Winner of Scoring Title (Total points scored in a season, not PPG) +$50


Is this for a team of player. Bc for team winner of title is same as ppg

For player. 

There aren't any rewards for a really good team offensive performance tho I've noticed. These rewards are for defensive showings. I guess a decent way to incorporate cash for team offense is by giving cash for certain win margins:

+$20 for 25 point win
+$40 for 35+ point win

I dk how people feel about that. 

[SuperMaor23]

Im confused as to the relative thing care to elaborate? Everything else looks good to me.

[SuperMaor23]

We should also do the euro for any non lotto. Not just second rounders.

[bundybastard]

Jan 8, 2015 5:37:23 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Im confused as to the relative thing care to elaborate? Everything else looks good to me.

Basically a create a player feature with a weak story to it

[BrazilianDude]

Jan 8, 2015 5:52:48 GMT bundybastard said:

Jan 8, 2015 5:37:23 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Im confused as to the relative thing care to elaborate? Everything else looks good to me.

Basically a create a player feature with a weak story to it

Will any of these players have a chance to become a star? Like at random of course but are they worth the trouble

[nyybaseball]

Don't like the waiver/HC thing how you can't waive if over. Sometimes that's the only option. Think bank account should be unlimited too. Especially with the buyout feature. That would be costly. Was never a fan of how much you can earn either.

[swish]

Jan 8, 2015 4:05:03 GMT bundybastard said:

We are keeping it as is for the next 4 Seasons, after that a team over the HC will need to get under a different way.

Yeah I mean the end CBA is up to the commish to decide, but I thought the proposal would be based on GM votes

[lakers209er]

I like the sound of that Fly in a relative thing

[bundybastard]

Jan 8, 2015 5:38:08 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

We should also do the euro for any non lotto. Not just second rounders.

Thats what d league is for

Plus only allowing it for 2nd rounders gives the Relative feature more value since you have em overseas and d leagued

[springs]

Not really a fan of the quality of mentor affecting the camp. Young rebuilding teams don't have quality vets so they get less of a camp than good teams with solid vets

[bundybastard]

Jan 8, 2015 6:27:11 GMT swish said:

Jan 8, 2015 4:05:03 GMT bundybastard said:

We are keeping it as is for the next 4 Seasons, after that a team over the HC will need to get under a different way.

Yeah I mean the end CBA is up to the commish to decide, but I thought the proposal would be based on GM votes

Im 50/50 on the waiver idea, tbh Its been backed by shorty so Im letting him have it included since technically we have a 50/50 ownership of the league. Ive been in multiple leagues which didnt have a waivers feature, and those over the HC managed to constantly get under.

Ill let shorty decide

[shorty]

I'd like to keep it in as part of the new CBA and the extra 4 seasons should be plenty of leeway for people to adjust and be aware of the changes. What the voting for waivers told me is that people are all over the place on what to do with waivers, and I think this would be a fair compromise that'll keep waivers, but discourage people from going over the HC.

I should've noticed in our PMs tho, that late in the negotiation process, I suggested that teams 2 mil or less over the HC can still use waivers. This would eliminate the problem of people who accidentally get like 200k over the HC. If people are comfortable with this, then I'd be in favor of making that adjustment. I forgot to present this point more strongly. 

Either way tho, I think an amendment in 4 seasons is gonna happen. We can probably vote on the "2 mil or less" rule for waivers. It'll be a quick fix.

[BrazilianDude]

Company moves lose real
Job and now you all want to take my sim league job away... What is life

[basenoc]

Jan 8, 2015 6:13:48 GMT nyybaseball said:

Don't like the waiver/HC thing how you can't waive if over. Sometimes that's the only option. Think bank account should be unlimited too. Especially with the buyout feature. That would be costly. Was never a fan of how much you can earn either.

[popnfresh]

Jan 8, 2015 6:13:48 GMT nyybaseball said:

Don't like the waiver/HC thing how you can't waive if over. Sometimes that's the only option. Think bank account should be unlimited too. Especially with the buyout feature. That would be costly. Was never a fan of how much you can earn either.

Do math and don't go over.  It's not difficult

[blue]

Shouldn't have extended MLE LLE looking at the new sc/hc lmao

[nyybaseball]

Jan 8, 2015 17:53:47 GMT popnfresh said:

Jan 8, 2015 6:13:48 GMT nyybaseball said:

Don't like the waiver/HC thing how you can't waive if over. Sometimes that's the only option. Think bank account should be unlimited too. Especially with the buyout feature. That would be costly. Was never a fan of how much you can earn either.

Do math and don't go over.  It's not difficult

You can do math and FA can still screw that all up. Do you not know that by now?

[nyybaseball]

RFA is gonna stay correct?

[shorty]

Jan 8, 2015 18:46:41 GMT nyybaseball said:

Jan 8, 2015 17:53:47 GMT popnfresh said:

Do math and don't go over.  It's not difficult

You can do math and FA can still screw that all up. Do you not know that by now?

There'll likely be an option put to the vote that allows teams 1-2 mil over the HC to waive so if someone makes a mistake, then they can get under still. Either way, getting under HC is a joke, so there's no question it needs an amendment. It doesn't matter if in "theory," people should squeeze HC teams, how has that worked out in the past? Point is, people should be discouraged to ever cross the HC.



Just a note for the HC/SC, tbh in the end it won't make much of a difference, because lower HC/SC will just mean lower salaries for the same players on your teams now. I doubt it'll affect much. Supply and Demand will even things out in 5 seasons. Back when the HC was 82 million, I had a prime Ron Artest, Tracey McGrady, Shawn Marion, Steve Francis, and the GOAT Vlad Stephania ALL on my team, and stayed under. So I don't think the cap changes will have the desired effects. The biggest difference will always be what players the GM spend their salary on with what they have available. 

[celticfan]

I think the buyout clause is unnecessary. Doesn't it mean that you still pay the entire contract outside when he is in the last year of his deal?

[nyybaseball]

Jan 8, 2015 23:47:21 GMT shorty said:

Jan 8, 2015 18:46:41 GMT nyybaseball said:

You can do math and FA can still screw that all up. Do you not know that by now?

There'll likely be an option put to the vote that allows teams 1-2 mil over the HC to waive so if someone makes a mistake, then they can get under still. Either way, getting under HC is a joke, so there's no question it needs an amendment. It doesn't matter if in "theory," people should squeeze HC teams, how has that worked out in the past? Point is, people should be discouraged to ever cross the HC.



Just a note for the HC/SC, tbh in the end it won't make much of a difference, because lower HC/SC will just mean lower salaries for the same players on your teams now. I doubt it'll affect much. Supply and Demand will even things out in 5 seasons. Back when the HC was 82 million, I had a prime Ron Artest, Tracey McGrady, Shawn Marion, Steve Francis, and the GOAT Vlad Stephania ALL on my team, and stayed under. So I don't think the cap changes will have the desired effects. The biggest difference will always be what players the GM spend their salary on with what they have available. 

Just don't understand of putting up a poll asking about waivers if the poll isn't going to be the one that decides it... You and Bundy are going to. The vote said keep waivers as is and won 10-7 over disallowing teams over HC from using, but you're overruling that vote? How does this make any type of sense?

[shorty]

Jan 9, 2015 1:23:38 GMT nyybaseball said:

Jan 8, 2015 23:47:21 GMT shorty said:

There'll likely be an option put to the vote that allows teams 1-2 mil over the HC to waive so if someone makes a mistake, then they can get under still. Either way, getting under HC is a joke, so there's no question it needs an amendment. It doesn't matter if in "theory," people should squeeze HC teams, how has that worked out in the past? Point is, people should be discouraged to ever cross the HC.



Just a note for the HC/SC, tbh in the end it won't make much of a difference, because lower HC/SC will just mean lower salaries for the same players on your teams now. I doubt it'll affect much. Supply and Demand will even things out in 5 seasons. Back when the HC was 82 million, I had a prime Ron Artest, Tracey McGrady, Shawn Marion, Steve Francis, and the GOAT Vlad Stephania ALL on my team, and stayed under. So I don't think the cap changes will have the desired effects. The biggest difference will always be what players the GM spend their salary on with what they have available. 

Just don't understand of putting up a poll asking about waivers if the poll isn't going to be the one that decides it... You and Bundy are going to. The vote said keep waivers as is and won 10-7 over disallowing teams over HC from using, but you're overruling that vote? How does this make any type of sense?

Cuz the poll didn't decide anythhing. 13 votes asked for a change in waivers compared to 10 that said keep it the way it is. Clearly there isn't a consensus on what to do with waivers, and the best compromise that'll keep waivers the way it is for people while offering an incentive to not go over HC is the one that's chosen.

The "vote," that I'm talking about now is be on whether or not GMs want the "Teams 1-2 mil over HC can still use waivers." 

[nyybaseball]

Jan 9, 2015 1:32:36 GMT shorty said:

Jan 9, 2015 1:23:38 GMT nyybaseball said:

Just don't understand of putting up a poll asking about waivers if the poll isn't going to be the one that decides it... You and Bundy are going to. The vote said keep waivers as is and won 10-7 over disallowing teams over HC from using, but you're overruling that vote? How does this make any type of sense?

Cuz the poll didn't decide anythhing. 13 votes asked for a change in waivers compared to 10 that said keep it the way it is. Clearly there isn't a consensus on what to do with waivers, and the best compromise that'll keep waivers the way it is for people while offering an incentive to not go over HC is the one that's chosen.

The "vote," that I'm talking about now is be on whether or not GMs want the "Teams 1-2 mil over HC can still use waivers." 

Regardless, "Disallow teams over the HC to use waivers" had 7 votes, opposed to 10 wanting to keep it the same, but the lesser is going to win anyway. Makes no sense. 

Basically just saying, let's have a vote, then we will ignore all the votes and make our own rule anyway if our vote doesn't win. 

Smh.

[shorty]

No ur vote didn't win.. dk what ur complaining about, there was no majority. What makes no sense is keeping waivers as is..

- Clearly there's a problem with it being too easy to get under HC. It's a joke to go over and back under, and it shouldn't be. A lot of people aren't happy with this, Bundy doesn't like waivers period, and I think there needs to be an amendment. So ya, a change is happnening. 10/23 votes saying they want it to remain the same isn't definitive.
- Bundy said that he's been in plenty of other leagues that don't even have waivers, and teams over HC have gotten under, so don't see why there's any issue
- Like I said, I plan on allowing teams 1-2 mil over the HC to use waivers so people who accidentally go over can get back under. If you accidentally go over the HC by any more than that, then you deserve being screwed

Is there a better compromise out there?? I was the one who suggested this in the first place because it just made sense. This protects waivers for just about everyone, and it encourages better cap management, which is a pretty damn crucial part of GMing.