NEW CBA NEGOTIATIONS

[shorty]

So our last CBA ended in the season 2015 and we've been going off that for a while now. If you don't care at all, just know this.. we've been at 85 mil hard cap for the past 5 seasons and will be unless we negotiate a new one. So list all your requests here, and it'll be proposed to Bundy to be in effect for next season. 

I'll compile a list of all the requests and so far here's what I propose for the HC/SC situation:

 
Soft Cap Plan + Hard Cap Plan  (The year names indicate the START of that season. So 2020 would be start of next offseason)

2020: 57,000,000 SC    86,000,000 HC
2021: 57,000,00      .
2022: 57,500,000    .
2023: 58,000,000 SC    87,000,000 HC
2024: 58,000,000    .
2025: 58,500,000    .
2026: 58,500,000    .
2027: 59,000,000 SC   88,000,000 HC

- SC and HC increase similarly

- Cap Floor:
2020: 34,000,000
2021: 37,000,000
2022: 40,000,000
2025: 43,000,000


Extra Suggestions:
- Make RFA higher than $300, make it $500. 
- Don't increase the hard cap. 


Extra Ways to Generate Cash:

Team Rewards now, on top of individual rewards:
Outrebound opponent by 20 - $25
Outrebound opponent by 30 -$ 50

20 team steals - $40
25 team steals - $60

20 team blocks - $40
25 team blocks - $60

Force 25 Turnovers + $30
Force 30 Turnovers + $50

Hold opponent to less than 33% Shooting +$20


Team scoring PPG at end of season(everyone loves watching offense right?)
1st) $50
2nd) $40
3rd) $30

Winner of Scoring Title (Total points scored in a season, not PPG) +$50
Winner of Rebounding title (Total rebounds in season) +$50
Winner of Assists (Total assists in a season) +$50

Pick Em League for NFL or any other sport (Since most here are from the US. NFL = Murica)
+$25 per week for Participation
+ 2 RC For the weekly winner
Minimum of 10 participants needed per week, or no rewards that week.

^Note, we already have a Betting League which may cover some of the NFL games for those that like to wager


Still Need to Decide Protection for the Picks of Expansion Drafted Teams. 
- One Proposal is to devalue the pick (and thus enticing the CY team to keep the pick and not trade it due to poorer value) by making the pick automatically top 5 protected, and if protection is enacted, then the other team with the pick gets compensated $500 instead of a pick.
- Other proposal is to have the picks of teams in CY to automatically have top 5 protection and then unprotected pick for the next year's if the protection is enacted.

Coaching Feature Being Added next Season
- There was some interest in adding a coaching feature where each team can hire a coach and that coach will have certain tendencies (defense, offense, mix, w/e, not entirely sure of the details myself). Question is, how will teams bid on it?
- One way is to add extra Hard and Soft Cap and have coaches be salaried
- Other Way is to give each team $200 to spend on coaches, and no cash spending limit on bidding for coaches. 
- Perhaps other factors besides just cash can weigh into a Coaches' hiring decision (old coaches want to win, etc)

[shorty]

daedalus is the vice president . I'm putting a gun to your head and forcing you to join my cabinet lol. Basically just push this along and suggest ideas if you can.

[bloop]

I definitely like that waiver wire rule

[shorty]

Should probably make min cap raise along with the SC and HC as well actually.

[BrazilianDude]

Players aren't coming cheap. I agree with both rules.

[BrazilianDude]

I thought hc was at 86 this year. Maybe next time

[tyfreak]

I wouldn't mind the cap increasing slightly for a few seasons than freezing for like 5-6 seasons like the last CBA stated

[tyfreak]

For the most part though I think we are set. Some may suggest a trade restriction such as wait a month after signing or w/e, but I think it's never a good idea to restrict trading

[SuperMaor23]

2 MAX Contracts per team=close to 40 Mil, 50 towards the last years. That should be enough to surround, 90M Hard Cap is way too high, it'll make the league too easy to field a team of stars.

I say we increase it up to 87 MAX. No more, have it freeze at 87 for the rest of the CBA. Which I still think is too high, highest cap I've ever had myself was about 84, and that was with a team of Rose/Brand/Gasol/Roy all on max deals.

Every ring thats been won in this league has been by a team that was comfortably under the Hard Cap. We should look at different issues. Not the Hard Cap. Im fully opposed to raising it too high, that would make the league a joke to be honest.

It would be way too easy to obtain a superteam.

If the HardCap is that big of an issue than we should attack the consequences, not the actual number. Set a standard of what you lose when you are over the hard cap.

These are suggestions based on the current 24 hours to get under format.

Might I suggest,

for someone who is 1-2 Mil over=Can't claim cash from anything except for trades. This would be ideal as a "luxury tax" and would allow smart GM's to decide whether it is worth not having cash in order to have the best team they think they can put together.

for someone 2-5 Mil over. Loss of 3 First Round Picks

5-7 Mil Over=Loss of 3 First Round Picks + loss of bird rights to best player.

7-10 Mil Over- Expansion Draft + Subject to getting fired.

[daedalus]

shorty waivers are KO'd the moment Day 100 is simmed since we sim 100-120 on the final sim. So an official rule making trade deadline also the waiver deadline would work just in case the last sim isn't a 20 day finale.

Mixed on the HC. The higher you make it the easier it is to retain 100% of your talent. This forces teams that are not already good to overpay and it cycles. On the other hand a small increase wouldn't be a killer.

[swish]

make RFA slightly more expensive for the team e.g. make it cost $500, the other team can still get $300 for getting matched (that part doesn't matter too much). shouldn't be so cheap as IMO there's still too much incentive for letting another team sign your guy for potentially cheaper in order to match.

[daedalus]

Pretty sure you cannot RFA a player if he offers to resign. So if he asks for a full max and you refuse you cannot turn around and RFA him.

[pistolpetejr]

Aug 29, 2014 1:34:59 GMT swish said:

make RFA slightly more expensive for the team e.g. make it cost $500, the other team can still get $300 for getting matched (that part doesn't matter too much). shouldn't be so cheap as IMO there's still too much incentive for letting another team sign your guy for potentially cheaper in order to match.

This. I would've liked to have seen it harder for Cliff Alexander to return to his current team for instance rather than it being so easy for them to get him back after I matched. I'm not saying I should have received more than $300, but that it should be tougher for teams to keep their RFAs if matched. If RFAs are being matched on max contracts, there's a reason for it.

[shorty]

Aug 28, 2014 11:29:42 GMT daedalus said:

shorty waivers are KO'd the moment Day 100 is simmed since we sim 100-120 on the final sim. So an official rule making trade deadline also the waiver deadline would work just in case the last sim isn't a 20 day finale.

Mixed on the HC. The higher you make it the easier it is to retain 100% of your talent. This forces teams that are not already good to overpay and it cycles. On the other hand a small increase wouldn't be a killer.

Higher cap floor balances some of it out and all teams will end up spending more money on players. I'd like to see the cap floor be $40+ mil myself. 

[shorty]

Aug 28, 2014 8:03:59 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

2 MAX Contracts per team=close to 40 Mil, 50 towards the last years. That should be enough to surround, 90M Hard Cap is way too high, it'll make the league too easy to field a team of stars.

I say we increase it up to 87 MAX. No more, have it freeze at 87 for the rest of the CBA. Which I still think is too high, highest cap I've ever had myself was about 84, and that was with a team of Rose/Brand/Gasol/Roy all on max deals.

Every ring thats been won in this league has been by a team that was comfortably under the Hard Cap. We should look at different issues. Not the Hard Cap. Im fully opposed to raising it too high, that would make the league a joke to be honest.

It would be way too easy to obtain a superteam.

If the HardCap is that big of an issue than we should attack the consequences, not the actual number. Set a standard of what you lose when you are over the hard cap.

These are suggestions based on the current 24 hours to get under format.

Might I suggest,

for someone who is 1-2 Mil over=Can't claim cash from anything except for trades. This would be ideal as a "luxury tax" and would allow smart GM's to decide whether it is worth not having cash in order to have the best team they think they can put together.

for someone 2-5 Mil over. Loss of 3 First Round Picks

5-7 Mil Over=Loss of 3 First Round Picks + loss of bird rights to best player.

7-10 Mil Over- Expansion Draft + Subject to getting fired.

Funny how you were all in for increasing the hard cap to $100 mil last time, but now you don't want any increases.

[getbeard]

if we decide not to raise cap we need to raise cap floor. Same teams up near the HC every year and can't do much with their teams because every year there are a bunch of team who dont wanna spend any money or make any moves to better there teams. Tough for teams to get away from HC once they are near it because lots of lesser teams aren't aggressive enough to take on any somewhat big salary. If floor was lowered it would force them to use some of their space and give the league a little more balance hopefully

[getbeard]

^obviously a little biased because im up around the $80M mark salary wise most seasons but still its kind of obvious to see that the league is split every year with rebuilders and competitors and most of the time its the same teams as competitors. I know CY is in place to stop this but too many teams look at it as they only need to make the playoffs 1 time and then they get to rebuild again instead of that they have 3-4 seasons to build a solid young core and to roll with it and compete for a few seasons after that.

[shorty]

I originally proposed the hard cap increase for two reasons:

1) In the last CBA negotiations, there was a STRONG push for a big HC increase. It also seemed like people wanted to increase the HC in this league and so that's where I came up with the original proposal in the OP.

2) A large chunk of the league is near/straddling the HC


Regardless of whether or not the HC gets increased, the cap floor needs to be raised. I want $40 mill - $45 mil as the cap floor myself. Raising the cap floor makes tanking a bit more of a challenge, and it forces teams who are competing to be a little more smarter with their money because teams who aren't competing will need to spend more and so role players will get paid more. Also, there's always a lot of good players who only sign for the min after FA is over, and this way players would get payment to their abilities.

[SuperMaor23]

Aug 29, 2014 22:13:47 GMT shorty said:

Aug 28, 2014 8:03:59 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

2 MAX Contracts per team=close to 40 Mil, 50 towards the last years. That should be enough to surround, 90M Hard Cap is way too high, it'll make the league too easy to field a team of stars.

I say we increase it up to 87 MAX. No more, have it freeze at 87 for the rest of the CBA. Which I still think is too high, highest cap I've ever had myself was about 84, and that was with a team of Rose/Brand/Gasol/Roy all on max deals.

Every ring thats been won in this league has been by a team that was comfortably under the Hard Cap. We should look at different issues. Not the Hard Cap. Im fully opposed to raising it too high, that would make the league a joke to be honest.

It would be way too easy to obtain a superteam.

If the HardCap is that big of an issue than we should attack the consequences, not the actual number. Set a standard of what you lose when you are over the hard cap.

These are suggestions based on the current 24 hours to get under format.

Might I suggest,

for someone who is 1-2 Mil over=Can't claim cash from anything except for trades. This would be ideal as a "luxury tax" and would allow smart GM's to decide whether it is worth not having cash in order to have the best team they think they can put together.

for someone 2-5 Mil over. Loss of 3 First Round Picks

5-7 Mil Over=Loss of 3 First Round Picks + loss of bird rights to best player.

7-10 Mil Over- Expansion Draft + Subject to getting fired.

Funny how you were all in for increasing the hard cap to $100 mil last time, but now you don't want any increases.

Seriously?
when have I ever said that? Is it my fault that you are an incompetent moron of a gm that hits the hard cap every fucking offseason?
why should the rest of us have to suffer because of your inability to do simple math?
simply put I could care less if u are the self appointed "president" of the GMA. This isnt a dictatorship, this is a democracy and I'm sure most of us here agree with me and not with you. 100 mil hard cap my ass

[shorty]

Aug 29, 2014 23:44:33 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Aug 29, 2014 22:13:47 GMT shorty said:

Funny how you were all in for increasing the hard cap to $100 mil last time, but now you don't want any increases.

Seriously?
when have I ever said that? Is it my fault that you are an incompetent moron of a gm that hits the hard cap every fucking offseason?
why should the rest of us have to suffer because of your inability to do simple math?
simply put I could care less if u are the self appointed "president" of the GMA. This isnt a dictatorship, this is a democracy and I'm sure most of us here agree with me and not with you. 100 mil hard cap my ass

It's the exact reason of this being a democracy that I proposed the increase (I was voted the president buddy). Like I said, in the last CBA negotiations, a HC increase was asked for a lot, and, a few GMs were asking for an increase, and so then I made the original proposal in the OP. It can be changed if people don't want that to happen. Right now I see a split. 

And well, since I played hand in helping modify the last CBA, I remember when dipshits like you ask for a massive increase in the hard cap. I think it happened because at the time, the loaded team that you inherited from ROTY was starting to enter the middle and end years of their contracts, and you realized you couldn't keep your prized inherited team, and actually had to start making moves of your own. 

And fyi, notice how I always get UNDER the HC? I dk what's wrong with you, but why don't you stfu and take some anger management lessons or there's gonna be a problem. 

[shorty]

W/e the hell you were asking for, you were one of the strongest supporters for a sizable hard cap increase last time, and that's why I originally proposed an increase in the HC here... I'm not dictating anything here. Learn the word.

[SuperMaor23]

Aug 30, 2014 0:34:35 GMT shorty said:

Aug 29, 2014 23:44:33 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Seriously?
when have I ever said that? Is it my fault that you are an incompetent moron of a gm that hits the hard cap every fucking offseason?
why should the rest of us have to suffer because of your inability to do simple math?
simply put I could care less if u are the self appointed "president" of the GMA. This isnt a dictatorship, this is a democracy and I'm sure most of us here agree with me and not with you. 100 mil hard cap my ass

It's the exact reason of this being a democracy that I proposed the increase (I was voted the president buddy). Like I said, in the last CBA negotiations, a HC increase was asked for a lot, and, a few GMs were asking for an increase, and so then I made the original proposal in the OP. It can be changed if people don't want that to happen. Right now I see a split. 

And well, since I played hand in helping modify the last CBA, I remember when dipshits like you ask for a massive increase in the hard cap. I think it happened because at the time, the loaded team that you inherited from ROTY was starting to enter the middle and end years of their contracts, and you realized you couldn't keep your prized inherited team, and actually had to start making moves of your own. 

And fyi, notice how I always get UNDER the HC? I dk what's wrong with you, but why don't you stfu and take some anger management lessons or there's gonna be a problem. 

What kind of problem? And good job on the inherited card. If you haven't noticed. Since I took over the team and made my own moves I made it to the finals 3 times. Won the ship twice and missed the playoffs only once. So dont give me that bullshit. And ya my contract situation was fucked that one year but that was roty's contracts. Notice how ive never hitten the hc as a gm? Its because im a better gm then you will ever be. 

[shorty]

Aug 30, 2014 1:16:42 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Aug 30, 2014 0:34:35 GMT shorty said:

It's the exact reason of this being a democracy that I proposed the increase (I was voted the president buddy). Like I said, in the last CBA negotiations, a HC increase was asked for a lot, and, a few GMs were asking for an increase, and so then I made the original proposal in the OP. It can be changed if people don't want that to happen. Right now I see a split. 

And well, since I played hand in helping modify the last CBA, I remember when dipshits like you ask for a massive increase in the hard cap. I think it happened because at the time, the loaded team that you inherited from ROTY was starting to enter the middle and end years of their contracts, and you realized you couldn't keep your prized inherited team, and actually had to start making moves of your own. 

And fyi, notice how I always get UNDER the HC? I dk what's wrong with you, but why don't you stfu and take some anger management lessons or there's gonna be a problem. 

What kind of problem? And good job on the inherited card. If you haven't noticed. Since I took over the team and made my own moves I made it to the finals 3 times. Won the ship twice and missed the playoffs only once. So dont give me that bullshit. And ya my contract situation was fucked that one year but that was roty's contracts. Notice how ive never hitten the hc as a gm? Its because im a better gm then you will ever be. 

Lol, okay okay I tell ya what you wanna hear, you have a bigger dick than I do. Now run off. 

[shorty]

Now, any more suggestions? I'm trying to wrap this up by the ASW and have Bundy see our suggestions. We're shooting for the new CBA to be in effect for next season so we should get to it.

[shorty]

New HC Proposal:

2020: 86 mil HC
2024: 87 mil HC
2028: 88 mil HC

Cap Floor proposal:
2020: 40 mil floor
2024: 44 mil floor
2028: 45 mil floor

[SuperMaor23]

Aug 30, 2014 1:54:13 GMT shorty said:

New HC Proposal:

2020: 86 mil HC
2024: 87 mil HC
2028: 88 mil HC

Cap Floor proposal:
2020: 40 mil floor
2024: 44 mil floor
2028: 45 mil floor

85
86
86
is my suggestion
floor
47
48
49

[shorty]

Bump.

The salary floor you're suggesting is really aggressive, and leaves less than 10 mil wiggle room between the soft cap and the floor. I dk how I feel about that, and couldn't tell you the full ramifications, but either way I'll take that as a vote of confidence for a sizeable increase in the salary floor than what it is currently.

[SuperMaor23]

Aug 30, 2014 20:37:57 GMT shorty said:

Bump.

The salary floor you're suggesting is really aggressive, and leaves less than 10 mil wiggle room between the soft cap and the floor. I dk how I feel about that, and couldn't tell you the full ramifications, but either way I'll take that as a vote of confidence for a sizeable increase in the salary floor than what it is currently.

Too easy to tank or drag out free agency. This will encourage a more realistic feel. And more 1 year contracts. 

[shorty]

Aug 30, 2014 21:27:00 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Aug 30, 2014 20:37:57 GMT shorty said:

Bump.

The salary floor you're suggesting is really aggressive, and leaves less than 10 mil wiggle room between the soft cap and the floor. I dk how I feel about that, and couldn't tell you the full ramifications, but either way I'll take that as a vote of confidence for a sizeable increase in the salary floor than what it is currently.

Too easy to tank or drag out free agency. This will encourage a more realistic feel. And more 1 year contracts. 

Since we usually get through FA in like 36-48 hours here, if a GM misses a day of checking and the cap floor is 47 mil, then that would put them in a pretty bad situation. Also, you don't see players get signed to 1 year 8 mil deals a lot in the NBA, and the wiggle room isn't that low in the NBA, so debatable about the realism bit. Either way I'm pushing the cap floor to be at least 40 mil right now. Hopefully more people will pitch in soon with their opinions. 

[SuperMaor23]

Aug 30, 2014 21:31:53 GMT shorty said:

Aug 30, 2014 21:27:00 GMT SuperMaor23 said:

Too easy to tank or drag out free agency. This will encourage a more realistic feel. And more 1 year contracts. 

Since we usually get through FA in like 36-48 hours here, if a GM misses a day of checking and the cap floor is 47 mil, then that would put them in a pretty bad situation. Also, you don't see players get signed to 1 year 8 mil deals a lot in the NBA, and the wiggle room isn't that low in the NBA, so debatable about the realism bit. Either way I'm pushing the cap floor to be at least 40 mil right now. Hopefully more people will pitch in soon with their opinions. 

As long as it is increased. Thats what matters.