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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 2:17:08 GMT
Normally, I wouldn't do something like this, if I were going to allow amnesty then everyone should get one, but I'm sure most of you would agree that the Eddy Curry waiver wasn't like any other waiver, and if there was no amnesty, Curry would be back on the Heat which I feel isn't right given that Curry was fairly waived. But I can see it from the side that if Curry gets amnestied then anyone should get amnestied (which isn't going to happen) so I'm letting you guys decide what to do.
Flip,itnas, ballislife and myself aren't voting, this is purely for the league to decide. If no amnesty then Curry goes to the Heat.
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Post by BrazilianDude on Jul 8, 2014 2:24:34 GMT
Amnesty currys retarted contract let the warriors get a fresh look and a new owner and move on
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Post by bundybastard on Jul 8, 2014 2:41:27 GMT
Should be on the Heats roster, wouldn't really call it a fair waiver
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Post by shorty on Jul 8, 2014 3:05:50 GMT
New GM should not have to deal with this so definitely amnesty or out him back on heat
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 3:31:32 GMT
Well, I did offer up 400$. But honestly didn't think anyone would bite on the waiver to begin with. The contract is ugly, plain and simple. Tried to put good players on the block and only listen to offers that ONLY included Curry. Really tried to move him fairly. The waiver was merely a hope and a prayer, just like how gotmelk waived Leonard to avoid HC penalty and eastdog bit on it..
For anyone who thinks I tampered with eastdog or something, thats bs. Wanted to fairly dump him somehow, and by luck, he bit on it. Why? I have no fucking idea, but I wasn't complaining lol
Also, if you guys want me to really get him back, thats fine, please just state a fair reason so I can be content with having Edward back in South Beach.
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Post by BrazilianDude on Jul 8, 2014 3:35:36 GMT
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Lol the bucks gm actually saved gotmelk with the first waive for Leonard eastdog was for mayo. Regardless both were dumb
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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 3:47:12 GMT
Well, I did offer up 400$. But honestly didn't think anyone would bite on the waiver to begin with. The contract is ugly, plain and simple. Tried to put good players on the block and only listen to offers that ONLY included Curry. Really tried to move him fairly. The waiver was merely a hope and a prayer, just like how gotmelk waived Leonard to avoid HC penalty and eastdog bit on it.. For anyone who thinks I tampered with eastdog or something, thats bs. Wanted to fairly dump him somehow, and by luck, he bit on it. Why? I have no fucking idea, but I wasn't complaining lol Also, if you guys want me to really get him back, thats fine, please just state a fair reason so I can be content with having Edward back in South Beach. Curry wasn't the only reason why he got fired, if it was and I suspected you of something, you would be out, not him. But his past actions that lead up to it (mostly Wiggins, but the bad years GSW had as well). Lead to him being booted. Your in the clear, not sure why you would suspect you did anything wrong either. The guy pretty much helps everyone out of their problems and creates one giant one for himself. I have no idea what he would of done with Curry nor do I care to see what he would have done given his track record. As for my reasoning for putting Curry back (if that matters at this point) is that Curry probably wouldn't have been claimed if not for eastdog and the claim was done in bad judgement (not just my opinion either obviously). Now if you threw him back on waivers and someone else claimed, then I would be wrong. But I think it's safe to say, after all that's happened, that probably wouldn't happen again. But, the waiver did happen, and you would have a right to be upset about Curry going back (even though I don't think you are), which is why I proposed amnesty. |
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Post by tyfreak on Jul 8, 2014 3:53:44 GMT
I'll be honest, I was actually offering Brand and Payton for Curry. That contract is definitely ugly, but I think he can be a 20-10 dude if used correctly. Still a shitty contract, but I feel like him only averaging 13/7.6 (Note that it was in 22 minutes) really decreased his value. Averaged 20+ last 4 seasons, so he can valuable on the right team. Every contract is movable in FBB.
Edit: Know I kinda rambled on here, but if he did start and averaged 20-10 or w/e, would everyone still view him as an absolute negative asset?
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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 4:04:36 GMT
I'll be honest, I was actually offering Brand and Payton for Curry. That contract is definitely ugly, but I think he can be a 20-10 dude if used correctly. Still a shitty contract, but I feel like him only averaging 13/7.6 (Note that it was in 22 minutes) really decreased his value. Averaged 20+ last 4 seasons, so he can valuable on the right team. Every contract is movable in FBB. Edit: Know I kinda rambled on here, but if he did start and averaged 20-10 or w/e, would everyone still view him as an absolute negative asset? I'm aware of that, but his contract is still bad and he is 31 it has more to do with the situation then the player, Heat got the cap fair and square. |
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Post by BrazilianDude on Jul 8, 2014 4:06:09 GMT
I'll be honest, I was actually offering Brand and Payton for Curry. That contract is definitely ugly, but I think he can be a 20-10 dude if used correctly. Still a shitty contract, but I feel like him only averaging 13/7.6 (Note that it was in 22 minutes) really decreased his value. Averaged 20+ last 4 seasons, so he can valuable on the right team. Every contract is movable in FBB. Edit: Know I kinda rambled on here, but if he did start and averaged 20-10 or w/e, would everyone still view him as an absolute negative asset? I agree as of now he could be worth the contract. I think what scares ppl off is the high point of his contract, mixed with his age at that time and the fact he sucked irl |
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Post by tyfreak on Jul 8, 2014 4:10:05 GMT
I'll be honest, I was actually offering Brand and Payton for Curry. That contract is definitely ugly, but I think he can be a 20-10 dude if used correctly. Still a shitty contract, but I feel like him only averaging 13/7.6 (Note that it was in 22 minutes) really decreased his value. Averaged 20+ last 4 seasons, so he can valuable on the right team. Every contract is movable in FBB. Edit: Know I kinda rambled on here, but if he did start and averaged 20-10 or w/e, would everyone still view him as an absolute negative asset? I'm aware of that, but his contract is still bad and he is 31 it has more to do with the situation then the player, Heat got the cap fair and square. Yeah, not arguing that. Warriors haven't really followed a direction it seems like. |
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Post by B Town on Jul 8, 2014 4:11:40 GMT
Nah. He should go back to the Heat
Accidently pressed yes instead of no
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 4:25:17 GMT
Whatever happens happens, just let me know if I get him back or not. Still need to submit a FA list.
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Post by SuperMaor23 on Jul 8, 2014 4:54:13 GMT
Back to the heat. Sorry
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 5:04:11 GMT
I see 4-2. Am i missing something? |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 5:38:17 GMT
Kinda bullshit if he's amnestied. As a new GM, I took on the same contract, and have gotten shit on for what I had to give up to get rid of it (even though Harden's name has him largely overrated, despite horendous D, and not to mention the fact the team I traded him too barely even improved, even though Curry can actually still play, which won't last long) , and now it's getting amnestied.
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 5:42:22 GMT
Kinda bullshit if he's amnestied. As a new GM, I took on the same contract, and have gotten shit on for what I had to give up to get rid of it (even though Harden's name has him largely overrated, despite horendous D, and not to mention the fact the team I traded him too barely even improved) , and now it's getting amnestied. And I still could've made the playoffs over the Heat if I wanted too without Harden and Curry but I traded away more players for more picks. |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 5:45:54 GMT
If he's amnestied, then I would agree my trade is the worst trade ever, as everyone says for some reason, even though I offered pretty much the same thing to most of the league and they wouldn't do it (which I don't see how you can decline a trade without a second thought and then say it was a shitty deal for me to do when it was the same deal I offered you), and even though if I hadn't made it, I would've been stuck with a contract that no one is willing to take on, that would've taken on almost half my salary cap, and my only good player having no defensive skills and a max contract, which would've taken on the almost the rest of my salary cap. But I guess I'm just an idiot
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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 7:49:32 GMT
fair enough, didn't think of Harden deal
guess gotta leave Curry in Miami.
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 10:41:23 GMT
fair enough, didn't think of Harden deal guess gotta leave Curry in Miami. Ok. Idc. Just change his contract. |
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Post by swish on Jul 8, 2014 13:01:13 GMT
Don't mind either way (heat or warriors) - but no to changing his contract or giving an amnesty option. That shouldn't be part of the game.
Personally think he should remain on the Warriors:
The waitlist is so damn competitive right now anyway, and a lot of the WLers are supposedly good GMs so I say let them step up and take the challenge of dealing with the Warriors as they are now. I'm sure at least one of them would be willing to deal with it.
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Post by shorty on Jul 8, 2014 13:33:38 GMT
popfresh does bring up a good point. If we just let the Heat off, then that would completely undermine his trade to move Harden out with Curry. That wouldn't be fair to him. It's also not fair for the Heat since their waiver was "legally" claimed, but slightly less so, and given the circumstances, it's not unreasonable to return Curry to the Heat. Props to ballislife for taking it in stride. Also, swish, the "change" to his contract simply means cutting off two years from his 6 year contract. In resignings, players aren't supposed to have contracts longer than 4 years and Curry was resigned to a 6 year contract I believe. Two years would need to be cut off regardless. |
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Post by swish on Jul 8, 2014 13:44:17 GMT
Also, swish, the "change" to his contract simply means cutting off two years from his 6 year contract. In resignings, players aren't supposed to have contracts longer than 4 years and Curry was resigned to a 6 year contract I believe. Two years would need to be cut off regardless. oh ok thanks for clarifying, jw why was it kept at 6 prior to this then if it isn't allowed? Wouldn't that have made it somewhat easier for the Knicks lol |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 13:46:25 GMT
Probably 5 would've been allowed since it was a bird year contract
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 13:54:11 GMT
Not trying to be a dick to ballislife but he is the only GM in the league who willingly took on the contract. I was stuck with it when I got here and so would the Warriors if they kept him
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 13:55:06 GMT
CBA thread explains all of that. If the Knicks resigned him, it should of been 5 years max with birds. His current deal has 5 years remaining. Sounds like a glitch in the system.
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Post by BrazilianDude on Jul 8, 2014 14:05:27 GMT
Not trying to be a dick to ballislife but he is the only GM in the league who willingly took on the contract. I was stuck with it when I got here and so would the Warriors if they kept him I mean with harden on the table I'm sure others would have taken it. U moved it in like a day. U offered me curry but if I knew harden was out there I would have made it work and tried to make curry look like the second coming of shaq |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 14:12:49 GMT
Not trying to be a dick to ballislife but he is the only GM in the league who willingly took on the contract. I was stuck with it when I got here and so would the Warriors if they kept him I mean with harden on the table I'm sure others would have taken it. U moved it in like a day. U offered me curry but if I knew harden was out there I would have made it work and tried to make curry look like the second coming of shaq Well regardless of who I gave Harden to, thats what I had to do to get rid of the contract and start a rebuild, and they shouldn't be let off the hook less than one season later. |
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:35:23 GMT
I don't get how a prior trade affects this waiver. They're 2 completely separate moves. Following this logic, when a player is traded for, then immediately flipped for more shouldn't be allowed because the first trade wasn't as good. The Knicks didn't make that trade thinking "hey a huge part of this trade to me is specifically targeting the heat with a bad contract for x amount of years".
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Post by shorty on Jul 8, 2014 15:39:21 GMT
I don't get how a prior trade affects this waiver. They're 2 completely separate moves. Following this logic, a trade where a player is traded for, then flipped for more shouldn't be allowed because the first trade wasn't as good. The Knicks didn't make that trade thinking "hey a huge part of this trade to me is specifically targeting the heat with a bad contract for x amount of years". Point is, Knicks were handed Curry's contract, and they had to move a star player in order to dump the contract. It's not fair to Knicks GM popnfresh if the Heat get off the hook this easily due to a GM who was fired for inadequecy. This is first time in this league and last league that I've seen someone fired for just straight up being shit so this is a unique situation. |
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