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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 15:41:37 GMT
I don't get how a prior trade affects this waiver. They're 2 completely separate moves. Following this logic, when a player is traded for, then immediately flipped for more shouldn't be allowed because the first trade wasn't as good. The Knicks didn't make that trade thinking "hey a huge part of this trade to me is specifically targeting the heat with a bad contract for x amount of years". Cuz the options are should he be amnestied or not. The point of the trade was to get rid of the contract. If I knew he was gonna get amnestied, I would clearly not have done the trade. |
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Post by getbeard on Jul 8, 2014 15:43:14 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything above me here except bloop. He should be put back on the heat, ballislife has been a very good GM for the most part and I think he'll be able to figure out either a system to make curry play well or a way to get rid of him.
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:43:30 GMT
I don't get how a prior trade affects this waiver. They're 2 completely separate moves. Following this logic, a trade where a player is traded for, then flipped for more shouldn't be allowed because the first trade wasn't as good. The Knicks didn't make that trade thinking "hey a huge part of this trade to me is specifically targeting the heat with a bad contract for x amount of years". Point is, Knicks were handed Curry's contract, and they had to move a star player in order to dump the contract. It's not fair to Knicks GM popnfresh if the Heat get off the hook this easily due to a GM who was fired for inadequecy. This is first time in this league and last league that I've seen someone fired for just straight up being shit so this is a unique situation. I agree that eastdog should be the reason everyone views this waiver and questions it. But it seems that there's a belief that since the knicks didn't know he could be waived so easily it shouldn't be allowed. The argument that it would make the knicks look bad or be unfair to them would mean tyfreak couldn't offer that trade. Heat would have saved 400 and received 2 players. |
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:44:48 GMT
I don't get how a prior trade affects this waiver. They're 2 completely separate moves. Following this logic, when a player is traded for, then immediately flipped for more shouldn't be allowed because the first trade wasn't as good. The Knicks didn't make that trade thinking "hey a huge part of this trade to me is specifically targeting the heat with a bad contract for x amount of years". Cuz the options are should he be amnestied or not. The point of the trade was to get rid of the contract. If I knew he was gonna get amnestied, I would clearly not have done the trade. Then I misread it then. I thought him staying with the Warriors was a real option and you were against that too |
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:45:55 GMT
I think he should stay with the Warriors. I get not wanting to allow an amnesty. Knicks would have clearly just done that
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Post by shorty on Jul 8, 2014 15:46:14 GMT
Point is, Knicks were handed Curry's contract, and they had to move a star player in order to dump the contract. It's not fair to Knicks GM popnfresh if the Heat get off the hook this easily due to a GM who was fired for inadequecy. This is first time in this league and last league that I've seen someone fired for just straight up being shit so this is a unique situation. I agree that eastdog should be the reason everyone views this waiver and questions it. But it seems that there's a belief that since the knicks didn't know he could be waived so easily it shouldn't be allowed. The argument that it would make the knicks look bad or be unfair to them would mean tyfreak couldn't offer that trade. Heat would have saved 400 and received 2 players. I'm sure Heat can have their money back, and as or the Raptors trade, well that'll probably stay put. Either way this is a special circumstance, so as long as the decision is reasonable, I'm okay with it personally. I definitely understand the arguments that popnfresh is making. |
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:47:55 GMT
I'm not voting then. I don't think an amnesty should be allowed, but I don't think the waiver should be reversed. Just offering my reasoning and so it doesn't seem like I didn't vote because of laziness or not caring
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:55:02 GMT
Why is the poll a decision between amnesty or back to heat? Staying with the warriors should be a choice.
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 15:59:21 GMT
And every new owner should get 1 amnesty for this exact situation in my opinion. For some reason a former knicks owner gave that contract. I don't think it happened because of this but I remember the former knicks owner clashing with a commish. But it's possible an owner knowing he's going to quit will just ruin his team before he leaves. I'm typing all this from my phone so sorry if it's poorly worded and choppy.
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 16:05:45 GMT
In defense of Curry not going to Warriors, he was only claimed in a desperation move by a GM who would be fired hours later. His exact reasoning for the claim was, "fuck it"
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 16:12:40 GMT
In defense of Curry not going to Warriors, he was only claimed in a desperation move by a GM who would be fired hours later. His exact reasoning for the claim was, "fuck it" Curry is a 20 10 guy that improves his team. He had no cap room to land a big FA. Gasol just put up 20 and 9 at 34. Players progress differently for sure but it didn't hurt his team right now. Maybe in a few years it would have but for an owner with such a losing reputation I get it. Curry is better than anyone he could have gotten in FA. [Watch curry now has the worst TC ever...] Judging this claim off of East dogs other actions isn't fair imo. |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 16:28:22 GMT
Has Eddy Curry ever provided anyone with anything other than pain and suffering?
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Post by BrazilianDude on Jul 8, 2014 16:39:39 GMT
Has Eddy Curry ever provided anyone with anything other than pain and suffering? In this league he's actually is good. That's the reason why the owner before you gave him the contract in fear of losing him. Lol but I understand since he's not good irl why anyone would hate on him. And if your plans were to rebuild having that contact doesn't help. |
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Post by popnfresh on Jul 8, 2014 16:42:46 GMT
Has Eddy Curry ever provided anyone with anything other than pain and suffering? In this league he's actually is good. That's the reason why the owner before you gave him the contract in fear of losing him. Lol but I understand since he's not good irl why anyone would hate on him. And if your plans were to rebuild having that contact doesn't help. Ha. Ya. Was mostly referring to real life and the controversy he's caused us. Not really his skill set in the league |
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Post by ballislife on Jul 8, 2014 17:35:13 GMT
Have you guys not looked at his stats? Besides last year, where I didn't even start him (still went 13/7), he averaged for his career 19.1 points/9.5 rebounds. The dude can ball in this sim league plain and simple. This is not a matter of his skill, this is a matter of dumping his contract. Eastdog was awful and this free agency class sucks. Idk why he traded Wiggins but that waiver was fair IMO. Shit, maybe I got ripped off by waiving him. If his contract was better, I bet most people would have claimed him. Fact of the matter is, he is a good solid center with a contract that isn't too appealing and the people who are against the waiver just believe "since I wouldn't claim that contract, nobody should." Eastdog won like a whopping 12 games or something. Curry would have given him a chance to win like 15 minimum. Anyone who denies that is purely hating.
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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 19:21:02 GMT
I can't keep Curry on GSW because I deemed it as a bad judgement move, I would have reversed the Wiggins deal as well, but that's a pretty big deal to reverse and given how good Wiggins maybe, that's a worse deal to reverse. This is simpler, and Curry could be traded in time, there's no way I can replace the impact Wiggins might have, but Miami can replace Curry with smaller pieces.
The waiver wasn't likely to happen if eastdog didn't claim him, people were joking with ballislife the entire time until eastdog came in and claimed, given how much cap Curry takes up (right before FA mind you) how long his deal is, his age and production last year (whether you believe he was held back or not, you have to agree it was a career low for him) his value was as low as it possibly could be. So there's no real strong reason why the Warriors claimed after coming off a 14-68 year and paying 76 million for that team. It was a horribly bad pick up along with moving Wiggins. Very short sighted and I don't think the next Warriors GM should be burdened with it since that Curry pick up pretty much ended his time here and everyone can agree it was a very bad move.
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Post by bloop on Jul 8, 2014 19:31:35 GMT
I can't keep Curry on GSW because I deemed it as a bad judgement move, I would have reversed the Wiggins deal as well, but that's a pretty big deal to reverse and given how good Wiggins maybe, that's a worse deal to reverse. This is simpler, and Curry could be traded in time, there's no way I can replace the impact Wiggins might have, but Miami can replace Curry with smaller pieces. The waiver wasn't likely to happen if eastdog didn't claim him, people were joking with ballislife the entire time until eastdog came in and claimed, given how much cap Curry takes up (right before FA mind you) how long his deal is, his age and production last year (whether you believe he was held back or not, you have to agree it was a career low for him) his value was as low as it possibly could be. So there's no real strong reason why the Warriors claimed after coming off a 14-68 year and paying 76 million for that team. It was a horribly bad pick up along with moving Wiggins. Very short sighted and I don't think the next Warriors GM should be burdened with it since that Curry pick up pretty much ended his time here and everyone can agree it was a very bad move. Agree to disagree I guess. And the walker trade was the final straw I think if I remember right. Just traded him for yi |
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Post by basenoc on Jul 8, 2014 19:48:29 GMT
Why? His contract is his contract and the claim is the claim. No
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Post by somerandomguy on Jul 8, 2014 22:22:01 GMT
I can't keep Curry on GSW because I deemed it as a bad judgement move, I would have reversed the Wiggins deal as well, but that's a pretty big deal to reverse and given how good Wiggins maybe, that's a worse deal to reverse. This is simpler, and Curry could be traded in time, there's no way I can replace the impact Wiggins might have, but Miami can replace Curry with smaller pieces. The waiver wasn't likely to happen if eastdog didn't claim him, people were joking with ballislife the entire time until eastdog came in and claimed, given how much cap Curry takes up (right before FA mind you) how long his deal is, his age and production last year (whether you believe he was held back or not, you have to agree it was a career low for him) his value was as low as it possibly could be. So there's no real strong reason why the Warriors claimed after coming off a 14-68 year and paying 76 million for that team. It was a horribly bad pick up along with moving Wiggins. Very short sighted and I don't think the next Warriors GM should be burdened with it since that Curry pick up pretty much ended his time here and everyone can agree it was a very bad move. Agree to disagree I guess. And the walker trade was the final straw I think if I remember right. Just traded him for yi was already being replaced before that trade happens |
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Post by ballislife on Jul 9, 2014 14:20:22 GMT
So somerandomguy do I have curry then or no because I need to fill out my roster already. |
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Post by swish on Jul 9, 2014 14:42:23 GMT
Leonard enters the league as a polished defender with an improving offensive game, his defensive game is very solid, as a junior he was already regarded as one of the best man on man defenders, while his experience has picked up so has the rest of his craft.
Butler is a talented wing who loves to attack the basket, his game isnt too flashy but he gets the job done, outside game is average but there's plenty of upside, good defender as well.
Faried is an athletic player who brings a lot of energy on the defensive end, while his still finding his feet when it comes to positioning, he still can turn a game around with a huge block or a monster dunk on the other end. He
loves to hit the boards hard and should be a solid rebounder for most of his career
Vucevic gives Faried a run for the best rebounder in the class, his defensive game needs a little bit of work but should at least be a block a game player, offensively he is raw and will need time, unlikely to be a natural scorer though
Isiah is a score first player, if he has any space outside the arc then he'll launch one automatically, he'll get the occasional hot hand but will be dead cold other times, turnovers are an issue and his a below par defender, needs a decent mentor
Macvan has made a name for himself in Europe, regarded as one of the best players in Euroleague atm, one of the best scorers in the comp
and his shot blocking isnt far off, what also attracts scouts to him is his ability to draw his defender out with his outside game. His currently contracted overseas for 2 more Seasons and will not be available during that time, you can't camp him either, ratings wont improve as well. Rookie contract starts once he is on your official roster
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Post by bundybastard on Jun 30, 2016 6:02:52 GMT
Intriguing prospect, can barely score offensively however is a beast of a defender, will cause steals and block shots, his playmaking ability is another standout for a big, plus he is a monster offensive rebounder
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