Activity Stimulus Package Part 1: AC for 28+ older players

[shorty]

I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard of this idea being thrown out there. My proposal is very simple: Allow article points to be used on players 28 years and older. I'm going to address the pros and cons of this and tell you why the pros will make the cons seem silly and irrelevant.


Pros:
- Encourage more articles. 
**That means more involvement and more activity. Nobody writes anymore, and when this place was more active, a lot more articles were flowing out. 
- Older players who haven't actually been camped out, but are now disallowed, will get a chance to receive points. 


Complaint #1: There's league inflation! 
Answer: 5 points isn't going to break the league, and the majority of players 28 and over are probably not camped out. We won't know who is camped out and who isn't, but this is a good compromise without inflating the league. Also if you are worried about inflation, then don't. Because the 28+ crowd probably didn't get the Mentor and NBA Ready camps that a lot of younger players have received. This isn't going to break the league at all.

Complaint #2: The older players should have already been prioritized!
Answer: Yes, but doesn't mean that they are camped out. 

[shorty]

Atlantic Division:
BOS - @b-Town, MIA - Username, NJN - redrum741, ORL - shortyman920, PHI - crazyguy2010, WAS - celticfan

Midwest Division:
DAL - lottoboundjazz, DEN - , HOU - Flip, MIN - rookieoftheyear, SAS - gotmelk0490, UTA - gmgreggor, MEM - BrazilianDude

Central Division:
ATL - shard24, CHA - itnas123, CHI - daedalus, CLE - entrapy, DET - IND- malice, MIL - thecommish, TOR - tyfreak

Pacific Division:
GSW - chriskamanyourmom, LAC - apokolypz, LAL - getbeard, PHX - walker44688, POR - @hyperyellow, SAC - basenoc, SEA - BoshtrichBurger

[getbeard]

Voted yes. Also think we need to decide what the answer about camps is as well because ex. Joe Johnson. Hyper says he camped him out which is why he traded him but I had know way of knowing that and would've probably valued him less knowing he's been camped.

[daedalus]

The main issue, at least from my prospective, isn't inflation it is parity.

The only reason the rule was enacted was due to HoopsActive going under with all of our information. While I agree it isn't fair for those with uncamped/maxed players to not be able to spend it is equally unfair to provide the opportunity for double-spends to those people. Without the lists from HA there isn't a way for the commishes to verify any points that are pushed through. In essence this proposal asking to allow any player over 28 to potentially receive +10 Article Points in his career provided he was given +5 while on HA.

There really isn't an amenable change to the rule aside from slowly relaxing the age limit as the first set of rookies drafted on this site come of age. The schedule will have to be a rolling one that gradually relaxes the rule until it disappears entirely.



Edit: Meant to add. I wouldn't be adverse to a ONE-TIME Article bonus of some sort to boost activity here. Essentially on the first article for each GM you receive +3 fully uncapped points to use on anyone in addition to the normal allotment of regular Article points.

[B Town]

Yes. It makes a ton of sense. When stars from un-gm'd teams go into the FA and they are like 30, you should still be able to + them.

[malice]

I voted 'yes'. Article points are *supposed* to be able to be used regardless of maxing or not...

[shorty]

We are fast approaching half of the league voting. 100% approval rate so far. Still need a couple more votes tho.

[shorty]

Apr 16, 2014 19:05:59 GMT daedalus said:

The main issue, at least from my prospective, isn't inflation it is parity.

The only reason the rule was enacted was due to HoopsActive going under with all of our information. While I agree it isn't fair for those with uncamped/maxed players to not be able to spend it is equally unfair to provide the opportunity for double-spends to those people. Without the lists from HA there isn't a way for the commishes to verify any points that are pushed through. In essence this proposal asking to allow any player over 28 to potentially receive +10 Article Points in his career provided he was given +5 while on HA.

There really isn't an amenable change to the rule aside from slowly relaxing the age limit as the first set of rookies drafted on this site come of age. The schedule will have to be a rolling one that gradually relaxes the rule until it disappears entirely.



Edit: Meant to add. I wouldn't be adverse to a ONE-TIME Article bonus of some sort to boost activity here. Essentially on the first article for each GM you receive +3 fully uncapped points to use on anyone in addition to the normal allotment of regular Article points.

In regards to parity, whether this is allowed or not, someone will be a little "screwed for either decision. The only difference is, should this proposal pass, there would be benefit with regards to activity. The turmoil of the past season took away from active members, and the league is still recovering. Also, it takes time to write a quality article that can garner points. As I'm sure malice can testify about this, it's a time investment for people to put up articles that are +4 or +5. If people are willing to spend that much time getting a bunch of AC points, the little harm from extra AC for old geezers isn't that hard to swallow. I am saying that the pros would outweigh the cons. There's no perfect solution, but I believe this is the lesser of all the possible evils. 


And I appreciate the fact you are willing to listen and to help come up with a solution to this. It's very encouraging to hear, and definitely helps promote the GMA's relevancy. 

[malice]

The point for me is that even if we had the info from HA, we'd still be allowed to put Article points into those players, as *ARTICLE POINTS* have no restrictions upon them.
I'm a bit confused as to why we can't, as whether they're maxed out or not is irrelevant... with regards to Article points.

[shorty]

Apr 17, 2014 4:18:32 GMT malice said:

The point for me is that even if we had the info from HA, we'd still be allowed to put Article points into those players, as *ARTICLE POINTS* have no restrictions upon them.
I'm a bit confused as to why we can't, as whether they're maxed out or not is irrelevant... with regards to Article points.

There was a +5 cap for article points on a player. 

[shorty]

daedalus bundybastard

29 teams - 3 commishes - 2 open teams = 24 total eligible GMs. 12 votes for yes means 50% vote. I guess according to my own rules, proposals need to be alive 72 hours in order for it to pass, but this one looks like it'll pass so perhaps we can get a decision on this now so we can implement before the season starts? I'm fine either way

[shorty]

Thanks for all who voted btw. Your participation keeps this place running.

[shorty]

Apr 17, 2014 23:46:06 GMT shorty said:

daedalus bundybastard

29 teams - 3 commishes - 2 open teams = 24 total eligible GMs. 12 votes for yes means 50% vote. I guess according to my own rules, proposals need to be alive 72 hours in order for it to pass, but this one looks like it'll pass so perhaps we can get a decision on this now so we can implement before the season starts? I'm fine either way

Can there be an announcement made on the decision of this? 

[shorty]

bundybastard daedalus

Need a verdict.. or might as well scrap the GMA.

[bundybastard]

I plan on posting a thread within the next 24 hours that will update the Camps for the league and will be basically confirming everything so we can move on from the HA situation. One of the main aspects ill be looking at will be introducing a camp that will just be for the over 28 age range. So hopefully that will solve the issue regarding the above.