Bye

[aar]

Or Yao goes to FA and they don't lose their next two picks.

[nyybaseball]

Nov 28, 2015 0:46:11 GMT aar said:

Or Yao goes to FA and they don't lose their next two picks.

Nope not happening just because you have their picks

[getbeard]

Nov 28, 2015 0:46:11 GMT aar said:

Or Yao goes to FA and they don't lose their next two picks.

Think the new owner would much rather have Yao than the picks considering they already don't have multiple firsts.  

[hambergler]

Nov 28, 2015 0:42:45 GMT nyybaseball said:

They aren't overpowered. Drazen is going on waivers like bundy said. No team has been penalized for HC, two owners have. There's no possible way this team still gets the HC penalty, so it's pointless arguing about it

Drazen going on waiver sounds nice but like I said theres 4 teams with room under HC for Drazen and its likely those 4 would not claim

[getbeard]

Nov 28, 2015 1:14:45 GMT hambergler said:

Nov 28, 2015 0:42:45 GMT nyybaseball said:

They aren't overpowered. Drazen is going on waivers like bundy said. No team has been penalized for HC, two owners have. There's no possible way this team still gets the HC penalty, so it's pointless arguing about it

Drazen going on waiver sounds nice but like I said theres 4 teams with room under HC for Drazen and its likely those 4 would not claim

He'll also be on IR the whole time so it's not like the Knicks are benefitting from him being on the roster

[nyybaseball]

Nov 28, 2015 1:30:08 GMT getbeard said:

Nov 28, 2015 1:14:45 GMT hambergler said:

Drazen going on waiver sounds nice but like I said theres 4 teams with room under HC for Drazen and its likely those 4 would not claim

He'll also be on IR the whole time so it's not like the Knicks are benefitting from him being on the roster

Correct

[aar]

If I ever get an HC penalty, I'm bailing and rejoining whenever there's an open team.

HC penalty no longer a factor for us.

[getbeard]

Nov 28, 2015 1:38:12 GMT aar said:

If I ever get an HC penalty, I'm bailing and rejoining whenever there's an open team.

HC penalty no longer a factor for us.

You obv wouldn't be allowed to rejoin lol if this wasn't directly effecting you you're opinion would 100% be different it's pretty sad

[aar]

Nov 28, 2015 1:43:54 GMT getbeard said:

Nov 28, 2015 1:38:12 GMT aar said:

If I ever get an HC penalty, I'm bailing and rejoining whenever there's an open team.

HC penalty no longer a factor for us.

You obv wouldn't be allowed to rejoin lol if this wasn't directly effecting you you're opinion would 100% be different it's pretty sad

Not sure why it's sad. A team whose picks I have was going to get way worse and because the guy is a coward, now they aren't. If GMs are just going to quit when they get an HC penalty than the rule is pointless if it's not put into effect.

Let's just give HF all of his picks back. HC rule is meaningless if GMs can just take off.

[basenoc]

Nov 28, 2015 0:45:03 GMT nyybaseball said:

Nov 28, 2015 0:37:35 GMT getbeard said:

Maybe a middle ground solution would be to IR drazen and release him to FA in offseason rather than Yao. Just think it's unfair for an ownerless team to lose its best player cuz lgm sucked and Yao is certainly an appealing piece for a new owner to want to take the Knicks. And if a new gm joins before end of season he has option to either get under HC and be able to use drazen or he doesn't have to get under but has to leave drazen on IR. Idk im just spit balling but I think that's a fairly decent solution for most involved

Pretty much what is going to happen imo

Yeah it's a gm penalty, not a team penalty If the gm pussies out...lol
IR Drazen & then release to FA in the offseason. Or just release him to FA now and no-one can claim him till FA days 1-2.

[SuperMaor23]

I think best option is to leave drazen on the team and make yao a free agent on IR. Dont take the picks.

[tyfreak]

Nov 28, 2015 1:38:12 GMT aar said:

If I ever get an HC penalty, I'm bailing and rejoining whenever there's an open team.

HC penalty no longer a factor for us.

There is no point of punishing a team because of the previous GM. Pretty stupid actually.

It's like when Sterling got removed from the league, next step the league takes away Griffin and their next two firsts. I just don't see the reasoning in it.

I also have a hard time seeing Bundy allow you to rejoin after blatantly abusing the system.

[hambergler]

Drazen IRed is different. I was understanding that since theres NO GM there would be NO PENALTIES to that team, hence my assumption that no one would be IRed

[nyybaseball]

Nov 28, 2015 1:38:12 GMT aar said:

If I ever get an HC penalty, I'm bailing and rejoining whenever there's an open team.

HC penalty no longer a factor for us.

Then you'd be a pussy as well. And wouldn't be allowed to join back.

[nyybaseball]

Knicks aren't losing Yao pointless trying to get him in FA.

And why aar is crying is beyond me.

[bundybastard]

Might even put Drazen through an auction, basically buy out his contract then have available as a vet min and whatever team bids the highest gets him

[aar]

Just annoyed really.

I see where everyone is coming from.

Just don't like it.

Don't think this GM should ever be allowed back, but he will be because there just aren't a lot of good GMs out there.

[nyybaseball]

Nov 28, 2015 3:02:17 GMT aar said:

Just annoyed really.

I see where everyone is coming from.

Just don't like it.

Don't think this GM should ever be allowed back, but he will be because there just aren't a lot of good GMs out there.

I def see why you're mad, just don't think you have much reasoning for your claims to get HC penalty. Would just screw the league.

I wouldn't want him back. He wasn't even that great imo. If he does come back he should have his HC penalty enforced as well as the bank penalty

[aar]

Would've been nice to have the next two picks of a team that lost Ming, wasn't allowed to use cash and couldn't use FA.

If people don't see why I'm passed, just read the paragraph above. Basically lose two easy top-5 picks by this Punk not taking his penalties like a man.

[SuperMaor23]

Nov 28, 2015 2:59:36 GMT bundybastard said:

Might even put Drazen through an auction, basically buy out his contract then have available as a vet min and whatever team bids the highest gets him

Why don't you make it sort of a UB type thing. Let contenders make their pitch to him via PM and whoever has the best pitch, along with his best chance for a ring gets him.

[hambergler]

Give aar the option to swap the picks for the two that LGM woulf have lost!


I agree that theres no sense in penalizing an innocent franchise (so long as theyre not still enjoying the advantages of being over cap, which seems all but completely resolved) but I do believe that aar does deserve some sort of compensation. I dont think we should give him 500 in cash, but at the same time he's losing a lot more than a handful of cash

[somerandomguy]

Nov 28, 2015 0:37:35 GMT getbeard said:

Maybe a middle ground solution would be to IR drazen and release him to FA in offseason rather than Yao. Just think it's unfair for an ownerless team to lose its best player cuz lgm sucked and Yao is certainly an appealing piece for a new owner to want to take the Knicks. And if a new gm joins before end of season he has option to either get under HC and be able to use drazen or he doesn't have to get under but has to leave drazen on IR. Idk im just spit balling but I think that's a fairly decent solution for most involved

my thinking is sort of on this level, put was more thinking of an amnesty

this is a unique situation (If Drazen isn't claimed) mostly because LGM is a moron, but you can't punish the team just the owner, if the owner doesn't like the punishment then we shouldn't carry it over the to the next GM, especially since the Knicks do not have their picks because of moron owner.

If Drazen isn't claimed then you can't move him back to the Mavs as he was already waived, and leaving him in New York keeps the team over the HC, the only way to settle this situation is to pretend that Drazen doesn't have a contract (amnesty).

[somerandomguy]

Nov 28, 2015 3:02:17 GMT aar said:

Just annoyed really.

I see where everyone is coming from.

Just don't like it.

Don't think this GM should ever be allowed back, but he will be because there just aren't a lot of good GMs out there.

he's not coming back

he's on the short "ban" list from this league, none of us will support him coming back.

[BANNAK]

Let New York keep Yao, put Drazen in FA for this off-season

[somerandomguy]

here's the thing with traded picks, when you trade for them you really have no clue what your getting back (if done a good year or two ahead) you are essentially playing the lottery before the lottery happens (if it's a lottery pick). You could get the #1 pick or #29 pick.

It's really a gamble and sort of a "expect the unexpected" thing and the unexpected did happen, so I don't really see why things should be different because the unexpected happened, I don't think we should hurt a team just to make aar's picks better, that's really what the argument looks like right now.

If anything we should be trying to make the team look more attractive to the next GM, there's no reason to punish the next GM because the previous GM was a moron.

[bundybastard]

Eh looks like the Bulls are open as well

[bundybastard]

aar

Convince Spence to co run a league aye

[hambergler]

I feel for aar, but you know man, anything can happen. They're futures, its natural for it to change. Still technically have the same odds as before. Pick your chin up, the next NYK GM may be worse

[somerandomguy]

Nov 28, 2015 5:48:45 GMT hambergler said:

I feel for aar, but you know man, anything can happen. They're futures, its natural for it to change. Still technically have the same odds as before. Pick your chin up, the next NYK GM may be worse

eastdog might come back

[somerandomguy]

the Knicks need to be deeper, quick trade Yao Ming for 3 ten point scorers, 30 is greater then 27 so it's an easy yes