Vote for Waiver Amendment **All GMs Must See**

[shorty]

nbadsl.proboards.com/thread/4319/new-cba-negotiations?page=3&scrollTo=128485

Using the ideas presented in that thread, it's time now to vote. If you want to see the arguments, post them here, or view them in the Negotiation Thread 

[bundybastard]

Voted remove Cash compensation for waivers

[BrazilianDude]

Does cash compensation mean

Example I pay someone to take a player
Or
someone pays me to take a player

Or both

[shorty]

Jan 1, 2015 2:37:01 GMT BrazilianDude said:

Does cash compensation mean

Example I pay someone to take a player
Or
someone pays me to take a player

Or both

I think it was proposed to be you can't accept or give cash for waivers. 

[BrazilianDude]

I think giving is fine

[BrazilianDude]

Btw wek in mind if there is a new/ next league we should pan all these to carry over

[somerandomguy]

waivers must die

[danieldias17]

voted

[shorty]

Bump, need more votes

[swish]

Don't understand the anti-HC team brigade tbh lol.

It'd be pretty nightmarish if waivers weren't allowed for HC teams. For example, if the rule was currently in place right now, only 4/29 teams (Bucks, Nets, Pacers, 76ers) have substantial cap space to work with, and at least half of those 4 don't even have a GM. A deal could be done with a normal team, but <48 hours is still pretty tight for most GMs; and with no waiver option, rape trades will most likely be demanded. Yes, I know it's the GM's fault for not being careful with cap management etc etc but it seems unnecessary to force them to face a high chance of losing their best player/dumping good players via trade for what is usually an oversight/mistake and being over by <1.5m

I think there's a good balance that needs to be achieved for HC, I would say most GMs aren't afraid enough of going over the HC but current proposals have all been too tough IMO. Some alternative additions: Maybe a mandatory penalty/cash fine whenever someone goes over HC? A cap on how much salary a HC team can waive (to discourage from going way over the HC like the Grizz)? The removal of cash from waivers seems like it might work, but I would be a fan of just implementing this for HC teams and not normal teams looking to pay somebody to gain some cap flexibility.

[swish]

lol saw that getbeard basically said the same thing in the old thread:

I really dont care at the end of the day what we decide to do but would argue getting under HC without waivers being at least an option is closer to impossible than difficult. Too many GM's in different time zones and shit, if you dont happen to be online at the same time as any of the 6 or so teams with cap space for 2 days(absolutely realistic), then you receive cap penalties? Seems a bit unfair.

Not to mention teams with cap space, probably have it for a reason most of the time. They don't want to take on cap space at that time, and are probably tanking. At least half the teams that have the cap space to help you out, will probably refuse to help strictly based off they are not looking to take on any sort of contract regardless of size, and aren't even looking to add players to help them win at the time.

That being said any GM that bails another GM out of HC via waiver for anything less than like $300-400 is an idiot regardless of how big the contract is or how good the player is. Those bailouts are the reason teams like Grizz and Magic run train through the league, it allows them to keep there core of players who in no way shape or form should be able to be affordable all at once on one team.

meh i get what your saying but again I think most people do this as a past-time and if one mistake of being 1 or 2M over HC is gonna fuck your franchise as badly as it seems people want it to then we might have problems

Removing HC team waivers seems pretty unnecessary for the above reasons^

For the average HC team, I feel like a loss of a decent role/young player or ~$300-500 is good enough - this is the usual price they end up paying. For superteams like the Grizz, Magic, it is the fault of the other GMs for not holding out imo and punishing them more. It's very doable, remember that shit with gotmelk & spurs lol

[somerandomguy]

what people don't seem to understand is a hard cap is in place so you do not go over it no matter what. If you make it very hard on a team going over the HC, people won't want to go over, making all the problems people are saying irrelevant, if a team goes over the HC they deserve whatever penalties are coming for them. There maybe be the occasional team that goes over the hard cap because of bad math or whatever. But making it hard for hard cap teams to make moves will make alot less teams want to go over.

It is so easy to get out of the HC, that there's no point in an HC at all. An HC is suppose to keep the league balanced (at least in theory) it's suppose to limit superteams by placing a set limit they cannot go over no matte what, and if they do, penalties occur that may break up such a team. Is that happening right now? Not at all, literally all you have to do is slap $500 with a player who's paid alot but does literally nothing and some sucker will claim and that team is out of the HC. This happens every single time a team goes over the HC which leads to more and more teams going over the HC, because they know it will be easy to get out. If it's really that easy to get out of the HC, then we shouldn't have an HC (I'm not opposed to this btw).

go to the announcements forum look at all the teams that have gone over the HC the past few years and then tell me nothing needs to be changed.

[shorty]

I agree with everything SRG said, but here's a compromise option to try and meet in the middle: if a team is 2 mil or less over the HC, then they are allowed to use Waivers, but anything over, and they aren't.

This way, if someone makes a slight calculation mistake, and are over by like half a mil, they won't be severely penalized. But if someone is just blatantly not even caring about HC, then they can suffer the penalties.

[BrazilianDude]

I admit I got away easy this season and several times before if harsher penalties were enforced it would be different

[HyperYellow]

Voted for disallow over HC waivers.