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Post by somerandomguy on May 15, 2014 11:27:30 GMT
current cap floor is 20 million according to CBA, which means you can have 33.15 mil in salary cap space before a season. So pretty much you can have two LeBron's and still have a little cap space left.
The no option may seem like a joke to some, but that option is really there for people who would rather get rid of the cap floor, if your one of those people then please explain your reasoning.
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 1:31:47 GMT
Maybe we could discuss stuff before actually voting on it?
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Post by itnas123 on May 16, 2014 1:40:54 GMT
Alright..... I think it is fine where it is at, Just not much to add discussion.
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Post by shorty on May 16, 2014 4:48:23 GMT
Let's use this template now for when talking about a topic. Choose either SUPPORT, AGAINST, or UNDECIDED as a label when you answer, and you must provide a reasoning why.
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I believe that we have raised the salary cap in this league by... (how much again?). The cap floor should get an increase that at the very least matches the salary cap increase. I definitely think it's way too easy to meet the current $20 mil requirement with 12 players. I like a cap floor of about 40 million at least. Double the current cap floor.
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Post by itnas123 on May 16, 2014 6:41:11 GMT
I would say 30 million really would be a bit better.
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Post by somerandomguy on May 16, 2014 6:47:40 GMT
some more opinions would be good here haven't seen any arguements towards not raising it, more people we get talking about this the better.
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 7:56:00 GMT
Let's use this template now for when talking about a topic. Choose either SUPPORT, AGAINST, or UNDECIDED as a label when you answer, and you must provide a reasoning why. SUPPORT I believe that we have raised the salary cap in this league by... (how much again?). The cap floor should get an increase that at the very least matches the salary cap increase. I definitely think it's way too easy to meet the current $20 mil requirement with 12 players. I like a cap floor of about 40 million at least. Double the current cap floor. Doubling the cap floor makes it more difficult for teams to make improvements via FA. I'm against that. I don't mind indexing it to whatever amount the salary cap has increased (reiterating I'm against raising the HC). I *believe* that any raise in HC will inevitably be matched by a raise in salaries... and make it a moot point. |
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Post by shorty on May 16, 2014 8:54:36 GMT
Let's use this template now for when talking about a topic. Choose either SUPPORT, AGAINST, or UNDECIDED as a label when you answer, and you must provide a reasoning why. SUPPORT I believe that we have raised the salary cap in this league by... (how much again?). The cap floor should get an increase that at the very least matches the salary cap increase. I definitely think it's way too easy to meet the current $20 mil requirement with 12 players. I like a cap floor of about 40 million at least. Double the current cap floor. Doubling the cap floor makes it more difficult for teams to make improvements via FA. I'm against that. I don't mind indexing it to whatever amount the salary cap has increased (reiterating I'm against raising the HC). I *believe* that any raise in HC will inevitably be matched by a raise in salaries... and make it a moot point. How so? |
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 9:37:11 GMT
You're encouraging bad teams to take on contracts they don't necessarily want, and that *might* mean salary continuing over the following year, hampering opportunities to land decent FAs. Sure, it's a "maybe"... but it's a "maybe" that doesn't exist with a lower floor.
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Post by somerandomguy on May 16, 2014 12:47:05 GMT
not really, your a team with 20 million on the pay roll, sign two players for 8 million one for 4 million, all three players sign 1 year deals and your at 40 million.
That kind of thing has been happening throughout this past FA, just there hasn't be a cap floor to enforce it.
Your not enforcing bad salaries on anyone your just setting a standard all 29 teams need to reach
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 13:36:05 GMT
Forcing... enforcing is maintaining a rule already in place.
It's an arbitrary assessment as to what the floor *should* be... but it's a fact that a lower floor benefits more GMs (giving a greater deal of flexibility to work with). As I'm against a higher cap, I'm also against a higher floor.
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Post by celticfan on May 16, 2014 14:16:56 GMT
The cap floor should be increased a good amount. I am not going to go the 40 million that shorty put out there, but 20 million just seems really low. I say put it in the middle at 30 million.
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 14:45:09 GMT
For those moving the floor, I want to know *why* it's a good idea.
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Post by shorty on May 16, 2014 18:12:04 GMT
For those moving the floor, I want to know *why* it's a good idea. Because it's simply too easy for a team to reach the current number, and GMs should at least have to put in a little effort to meet the minimum requirement. That means if they want to tank, they have to be strategic in trying to spend money on the shittiest players they can find. |
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Post by shorty on May 16, 2014 22:53:52 GMT
$30 mil seems to be a popular option right now. What was the soft cap when this league started? I think it was something in the 40 million range.
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Post by somerandomguy on May 16, 2014 23:05:53 GMT
if most want 30 or mid 30's then that's fine, however I think it should be up to 40 million 18 million in salary is still too much imo.
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Post by malice on May 16, 2014 23:44:32 GMT
I'd go the other way. Try it with say... 27.5 million, and then agree to go up if the GMA votes to do so. I suspect the commish might be happy to do this (move it up), but less so to move it down if it's found to be problematic. '30' and '40' seem to be arbitrary numbers at the moment, and neither of you floating that are GMs who dwell around that number - let's take small steps on this, and then increase it later if it's easy.
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Post by BrazilianDude on May 18, 2014 15:18:58 GMT
Cap floor in my opinion doesn't do much. If people want to save cap for next season they can just sign a bunch of guys to 1 year contracts to have that same cap next year as flip did last season. Increasing it won't change much except it will force gms to pay bad players more
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Post by getbeard on May 19, 2014 1:04:20 GMT
raising cap floor would i guess increase parity in the league, and would prevent "tanking" to an extent.
I'm probably opposed to it though, as all this will do is make bad teams sign players to stupid 1 year contracts worth way more than the player, probably guys lots of good teams want to use their MLE's and such for. Competitive teams would probably have a real tough time filling out their rosters with decent talent on MLE, LLE, or min deals because all the teams who aren't looking to compete will sign decent guys to 1 year 7-10M deals just to have them come off the bench or play in a bad DC just so they can match the salary floor
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Post by shorty on May 19, 2014 1:50:59 GMT
Abolish the cap floor or increase it. The cap floor is a joke right now and there's no point even having it at $20 mil tbh. And guys let's be honest, players like Reggie Evans and Robert Swift should NOT be left for 1 year, min deals every single season. If these players are this easy to get, then teams simply aren't spending enough, and increasing the cap floor will prevent that. ALSO, forcing a higher (and more realistic) cap floor means teams that want to tank will need to be a little smart about their spending as well. It creates a little more challenge, and improves parity as it was mentioned.
As things are right now, I am absolutely not okay with $20 million cap floor. Scrap it, or make it a reasonable number. That's my call.
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Post by itnas123 on May 19, 2014 3:04:01 GMT
Abolish the cap floor or increase it. The cap floor is a joke right now and there's no point even having it at $20 mil tbh. And guys let's be honest, players like Reggie Evans and Robert Swift should NOT be left for 1 year, min deals every single season. If these players are this easy to get, then teams simply aren't spending enough, and increasing the cap floor will prevent that. ALSO, forcing a higher (and more realistic) cap floor means teams that want to tank will need to be a little smart about their spending as well. It creates a little more challenge, and improves parity as it was mentioned. As things are right now, I am absolutely not okay with $20 million cap floor. Scrap it, or make it a reasonable number. That's my call. Totally agree to this^ and especially the bolded stuff. |
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Post by somerandomguy on May 20, 2014 6:29:12 GMT
if you want a cap floor, you also need to make the most you can offer a player on a one year deal 8 million (I actually want to go lower then that, but dunno about the rest of the league).
I would vote 6 million 1 year, that maybe a little too tight for some GM's.
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Post by shorty on May 20, 2014 6:38:29 GMT
if you want a cap floor, you also need to make the most you can offer a player on a one year deal 8 million (I actually want to go lower then that, but dunno about the rest of the league). I would vote 6 million 1 year, that maybe a little too tight for some GM's. I agree on 8 mil. Tbh I wouldn't mind lower as well, but yeah I don't think people would like that. It'll be good to hear more opinions on this tho. I guess this should be brought up now since we mentioned our desire for a salary freeze (technically, salary structure isn't on the itinerary for Day 1, but close enough), but we should definitely hear more from others before doing so. If anything, we can bring this up later on a later day. |
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Post by somerandomguy on May 20, 2014 6:42:25 GMT
ya, it's just the bigger things being discussed atm, we got the season to discuss small things like that.
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Post by itnas123 on May 20, 2014 6:45:46 GMT
i say 7 million as the max 1 year deal.
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