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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 16:59:58 GMT
FINAL
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Clippers (nybaseball) 24 27 20 27 98
Trailblazers (Hyper) 21 28 32 30 111
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Leaders Clippers (nybaseball) Trailblazers (Hyper)
Points Kevin Love 28 Elfrid Payton 30
Rebounds Kevin Love 12 Kosta Koufos 13
Assists Chris Paul 8 Elfrid Payton 9
Whoa. Settle down Payton. 2-1.
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Post by tyfreak on Aug 8, 2014 17:00:19 GMT
FINAL
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Raptors (Tyfreak) 27 19 25 30 101
Nuggets (springs) 16 22 14 29 81
Box Score
Leaders Raptors (Tyfreak) Nuggets (springs)
Points Brandon Roy 31 Juwan Staten 17
Rebounds Lucas Nogueira 11 Michael Cage, Jr 9
Assists Brandon Roy 7 Juwan Staten 6
4-0.
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:00:25 GMT
FINAL 1 2 3 4 T Bucks (TheCommish) 31 14 28 26 99 Magic (shorty) 37 28 21 26 112 Box Score Leaders Bucks (TheCommish) Magic (shorty) Points DeAndre Kane 23 Jabari Parker 31 Rebounds Rondae Jefferson 8 Kenneth Faried 12 Assists Tony Wroten Jr. 9 Ty Lawson 12 Even in seasons where I want a top pick I still want to beat shorty  Walker disappeared against his big men  |
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Post by bloop on Aug 8, 2014 17:00:57 GMT
2 2 thunder have our number
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:01:34 GMT
FINAL
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Trailblazers (Hyper) 31 40 25 23 119
Celtics (blueblaze) 25 31 19 17 92
Box Score
Leaders Trailblazers (Hyper) Celtics (blueblaze)
Points Terran Petteway 31 Julius Randle 26
Rebounds Anthony Bennett 12 Julius Randle 11
Assists Elfrid Payton 14 Brandon Knight 9
Yeah, get that PPG back up Petteway. Would like to see Payton in top 10 assisters too.
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Post by BANNAK on Aug 8, 2014 17:01:52 GMT
2-2, hopefully can finish off strong (6-2 the dream)
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Post by blue on Aug 8, 2014 17:02:00 GMT
FINAL
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Trailblazers (Hyper) 31 40 25 23 119
Celtics (blueblaze) 25 31 19 17 92
Box Score
Leaders Trailblazers (Hyper) Celtics (blueblaze)
Points Terran Petteway 31 Julius Randle 26
Rebounds Anthony Bennett 12 Julius Randle 11
Assists Elfrid Payton 14 Brandon Knight 9
2-3, high scoring first half, medicore second
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:02:44 GMT
Day 31: No injuries!
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:02:44 GMT
Bad loss to Blazers. Hate losing to shitty teams We aren't that shitty. Especially against teams with no D. |
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:02:57 GMT
Day 31
FINAL
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Lakers (getbeard) 26 28 21 21 96
Trailblazers (Hyper) 25 23 32 34 114
Box Score
Leaders Lakers (getbeard) Trailblazers (Hyper)
Points Damian Lillard 19 Wayne Ellington 27
Rebounds Goodluck Okonoboh 11 Anthony Bennett 13
Assists Andrew Wiggins 4 Elfrid Payton 9
FINAL
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Knicks (popnfresh) 22 23 26 20 91
Bulls (bloop) 30 30 26 23 109
Box Score
Leaders Knicks (popnfresh) Bulls (bloop)
Points LeBron James 26 Derrick Favors 38
Rebounds Blake Griffin 11 Myles Turner 15
Assists Tyus Jones 7 Trey Burke 7
FINAL
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Clippers (nybaseball) 37 18 26 21 102
Wizards (celticfan) 18 23 16 26 83
Box Score
Leaders Clippers (nybaseball) Wizards (celticfan)
Points Kevin Love 22 Bradley Beal 25
Rebounds Joel Embiid 10 Mouhamed Sene 13
Assists Chris Paul 8 Parker Jackson-Cartwright 5
FINAL
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Rockets (lakers209) 21 22 20 35 98
76ers (saric9) 22 23 26 26 97
Box Score
Leaders Rockets (lakers209) 76ers (saric9)
Points John Wall 35 Terrence Ross 18
Rebounds Montrezl Harrell 12 Brook Lopez 11
Assists John Wall 7 Stephen Curry 7
FINAL - OVERTIME
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Pistons (walker) 23 22 18 26 9 98
Magic (shorty) 19 17 30 23 11 100
Box Score
Leaders Pistons (walker) Magic (shorty)
Points J.J. Hickson 36 Kenneth Faried 31
Rebounds J.J. Hickson 15 Serge Ibaka 16
Assists Patrick Mills 9 Ty Lawson 14
FINAL
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Nuggets (springs) 12 18 16 21 67
Suns (crazyguy) 27 25 20 29 101
Box Score
Leaders Nuggets (springs) Suns (crazyguy)
Points Juwan Staten 14 Danilo Gallinari 33
Rebounds Jessie Govan 8 Amare Stoudemire 12
Assists Chase Jeter 4 Danilo Gallinari 6
FINAL
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Raptors (Tyfreak) 25 32 24 14 95
Bucks (TheCommish) 29 26 36 18 109
Box Score
Leaders Raptors (Tyfreak) Bucks (TheCommish)
Points Brandon Roy 34 DeAndre Kane 37
Rebounds Greg Oden 11 Chris Walker 13
Assists Daniel Gibson 5 Rondae Jefferson 7
FINAL
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Nets (Redrum) 22 17 23 17 79
Spurs (gotmelk) 19 24 19 20 82
Box Score
Leaders Nets (Redrum) Spurs (gotmelk)
Points DeMar DeRozan 29 Cliff Alexander 22
Rebounds Tibor Pleiss 11 Nerlens Noel 10
Assists George Hill 7 Carmelo Anthony 4
FINAL
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Hawks (Bannak) 17 27 17 32 93
Heat (ballislife) 20 24 15 19 78
Box Score
Leaders Hawks (Bannak) Heat (ballislife)
Points Chris Bosh 22 Anthony Davis 27
Rebounds Chris Bosh 16 Anthony Davis 12
Assists Von Wafer 8 O.J. Mayo 4
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Mavericks (swish) 18 27 19 17 81
Grizzlies (Brazilian) 22 39 21 22 104
Box Score
Leaders Mavericks (swish) Grizzlies (Brazilian)
Points DeMarcus Cousins 22 Russell Westbrook 22
Rebounds DeMarcus Cousins 14 LaMarcus Aldridge 13
Assists Darren Collison 9 Russell Westbrook 11
FINAL
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Jazz (gmgreggor) 16 21 16 23 76
Warriors (ducksrule) 31 18 30 23 102
Box Score
Leaders Jazz (gmgreggor) Warriors (ducksrule)
Points Nikola Mirotic 17 Tyreke Evans 27
Rebounds Nikola Mirotic 13 Anthony Randolph 16
Assists Quentin Snider 2 Andrew Harrison 8
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:03:21 GMT
FINAL 1 2 3 4 T Raptors (Tyfreak) 25 32 24 14 95 Bucks (TheCommish) 29 26 36 18 109 Box Score Leaders Raptors (Tyfreak) Bucks (TheCommish) Points Brandon Roy 34 DeAndre Kane 37 Rebounds Greg Oden 11 Chris Walker 13 Assists Daniel Gibson 5 Rondae Jefferson 7 Kane > Roy (LOL)  |
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Post by tyfreak on Aug 8, 2014 17:03:34 GMT
FINAL
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Raptors (Tyfreak) 25 32 24 14 95
Bucks (TheCommish) 29 26 36 18 109
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Leaders Raptors (Tyfreak) Bucks (TheCommish)
Points Brandon Roy 34 DeAndre Kane 37
Rebounds Greg Oden 11 Chris Walker 13
Assists Daniel Gibson 5 Rondae Jefferson 7
4-1. lmfao.
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Post by BANNAK on Aug 8, 2014 17:03:42 GMT
FINAL
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Hawks (Bannak) 17 27 17 32 93
Heat (ballislife) 20 24 15 19 78
Box Score
Leaders Hawks (Bannak) Heat (ballislife)
Points Chris Bosh 22 Anthony Davis 27
Rebounds Chris Bosh 16 Anthony Davis 12
Assists Von Wafer 8 O.J. Mayo 4
That's more like it. 3-2
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Post by shorty on Aug 8, 2014 17:03:53 GMT
Great sim so far from what I've glimpsed. Only one loss
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:04:49 GMT
FINAL
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Lakers (getbeard) 26 28 21 21 96
Trailblazers (Hyper) 25 23 32 34 114
Box Score
Leaders Lakers (getbeard) Trailblazers (Hyper)
Points Damian Lillard 19 Wayne Ellington 27
Rebounds Goodluck Okonoboh 11 Anthony Bennett 13
Assists Andrew Wiggins 4 Elfrid Payton 9
Lillard too busy shooting to pass? Bennett much better starting than off the bench. Good sim so far with only loss to Mavs.
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Post by getbeard on Aug 8, 2014 17:05:42 GMT
Lakers (getbeard) 26 28 21 21 96
Trailblazers (Hyper) 25 23 32 34 114
Box Score
Leaders Lakers (getbeard) Trailblazers (Hyper)
Points Damian Lillard 19 Wayne Ellington 27
Rebounds Goodluck Okonoboh 11 Anthony Bennett 13
Assists Andrew Wiggins 4 Elfrid Payton 9
1-2. Lost to the fuckin celtics and Blazers. how does that even happen?
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:05:49 GMT
FINAL
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Jazz (gmgreggor) 16 21 16 23 76
Warriors (ducksrule) 31 18 30 23 102
Box Score
Leaders Jazz (gmgreggor) Warriors (ducksrule)
Points Nikola Mirotic 17 Tyreke Evans 27
Rebounds Nikola Mirotic 13 Anthony Randolph 16
Assists Quentin Snider 2 Andrew Harrison 8
Snider too busy sucking to pass LOL.
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:05:51 GMT
Day 32:
Marcus Paige (Blazers) out 6 days.
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:06:16 GMT
Day 32
FINAL
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Pistons (walker) 29 24 17 29 99
Raptors (Tyfreak) 28 24 22 38 112
Box Score
Leaders Pistons (walker) Raptors (Tyfreak)
Points J.J. Hickson 25 Brandon Roy 45
Rebounds J.J. Hickson 13 Greg Oden 11
Assists T.J. Ford 5 Daniel Gibson 6
FINAL
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Nuggets (springs) 25 22 24 18 89
Wizards (celticfan) 25 9 37 16 87
Box Score
Leaders Nuggets (springs) Wizards (celticfan)
Points Jessie Govan 22 Bradley Beal 20
Rebounds Jessie Govan 16 Kelly Olynyk 11
Assists Juwan Staten 9 Tony Parker 6
FINAL
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Rockets (lakers209) 22 25 30 14 91
Hawks (Bannak) 30 27 27 28 112
Box Score
Leaders Rockets (lakers209) Hawks (Bannak)
Points John Wall 30 Dwyane Wade 33
Rebounds Marc Gasol 10 Tyson Chandler 13
Assists John Wall 5 Von Wafer 6
FINAL
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Hornets (itnas123) 26 24 29 39 118
Magic (shorty) 24 31 28 31 114
Box Score
Leaders Hornets (itnas123) Magic (shorty)
Points Milan Macvan 40 Ty Lawson 29
Rebounds Milan Macvan 11 Thaddeus Young 12
Assists Isaiah Thomas 15 Ty Lawson 11
FINAL
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Heat (ballislife) 28 30 27 22 107
Bucks (TheCommish) 23 19 24 25 91
Box Score
Leaders Heat (ballislife) Bucks (TheCommish)
Points Anthony Davis 26 Tony Wroten Jr. 23
Rebounds Jahlil Okafor 18 Chris Walker 11
Assists Deron Williams 13 Tony Wroten Jr. 8
FINAL
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Trailblazers (Hyper) 22 20 22 29 93
Knicks (popnfresh) 36 21 26 23 106
Box Score
Leaders Trailblazers (Hyper) Knicks (popnfresh)
Points Elfrid Payton 19 Blake Griffin 24
Rebounds Kosta Koufos 14 Al Jefferson 13
Assists Elfrid Payton 5 LeBron James 8
FINAL
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Bulls (bloop) 25 23 22 25 95
Cavaliers (entrapy) 31 29 39 22 121
Box Score
Leaders Bulls (bloop) Cavaliers (entrapy)
Points V.J. King 19 Kyrie Irving 27
Rebounds Myles Turner 9 Spencer Hawes 14
Assists Trey Burke 7 Kyrie Irving 9
FINAL
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Celtics (blueblaze) 17 18 15 32 82
76ers (saric9) 27 29 24 23 103
Box Score
Leaders Celtics (blueblaze) 76ers (saric9)
Points Brandon Knight 16 Brook Lopez 25
Rebounds Julius Randle 12 Alex Owens 13
Assists Brandon Knight 12 Stephen Curry 10
FINAL
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Spurs (gotmelk) 12 18 25 22 77
Grizzlies (Brazilian) 31 29 20 35 115
Box Score
Leaders Spurs (gotmelk) Grizzlies (Brazilian)
Points Carmelo Anthony 26 LaMarcus Aldridge 22
Rebounds Nerlens Noel 8 Andre Drummond 14
Assists Terrance Ferguson 4 Russell Westbrook 18
FINAL
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Thunder (logistician) 24 19 22 26 91
Jazz (gmgreggor) 35 20 27 13 95
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Leaders Thunder (logistician) Jazz (gmgreggor)
Points Patrick Beverley 20 Shabazz Muhammad 30
Rebounds Andrew Bynum 10 Chris Kaman 13
Assists Patrick Beverley 7 Quentin Snider 5
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:06:52 GMT
Lakers (getbeard) 26 28 21 21 96 Trailblazers (Hyper) 25 23 32 34 114 Box Score Leaders Lakers (getbeard) Trailblazers (Hyper) Points Damian Lillard 19 Wayne Ellington 27 Rebounds Goodluck Okonoboh 11 Anthony Bennett 13 Assists Andrew Wiggins 4 Elfrid Payton 9 1-2. Lost to the fuckin celtics and Blazers. how does that even happen? Wiggins shut DOWN by Petteway. |
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:06:48 GMT
FINAL 1 2 3 4 T Heat (ballislife) 28 30 27 22 107 Bucks (TheCommish) 23 19 24 25 91 Box Score Leaders Heat (ballislife) Bucks (TheCommish) Points Anthony Davis 26 Tony Wroten Jr. 23 Rebounds Jahlil Okafor 18 Chris Walker 11 Assists Deron Williams 13 Tony Wroten Jr. 8 Tony Wroten Jr screaming at the top of his lungs for a contender to trade for him  |
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Post by BANNAK on Aug 8, 2014 17:07:37 GMT
FINAL 1 2 3 4 T Rockets (lakers209) 22 25 30 14 91 Hawks (Bannak) 30 27 27 28 112 Box Score Leaders Rockets (lakers209) Hawks (Bannak) Points John Wall 30 Dwyane Wade 33 Rebounds Marc Gasol 10 Tyson Chandler 13 Assists John Wall 5 Von Wafer 6 Good shit lads. D.Wade is so senile in his old age he thinks he's in his mid 20s again. 4-2  |
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Post by tyfreak on Aug 8, 2014 17:08:03 GMT
FINAL
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Pistons (walker) 29 24 17 29 99
Raptors (Tyfreak) 28 24 22 38 112
Box Score
Leaders Pistons (walker) Raptors (Tyfreak)
Points J.J. Hickson 25 Brandon Roy 45
Rebounds J.J. Hickson 13 Greg Oden 11
Assists T.J. Ford 5 Daniel Gibson 6
5-1
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Post by getbeard on Aug 8, 2014 17:08:07 GMT
Lakers (getbeard) 26 28 21 21 96 Trailblazers (Hyper) 25 23 32 34 114 Box Score Leaders Lakers (getbeard) Trailblazers (Hyper) Points Damian Lillard 19 Wayne Ellington 27 Rebounds Goodluck Okonoboh 11 Anthony Bennett 13 Assists Andrew Wiggins 4 Elfrid Payton 9 1-2. Lost to the fuckin celtics and Blazers. how does that even happen? Wiggins shut DOWN by Petteway. my team has shown a tendency to play down to the level of lesser competition |
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Post by blue on Aug 8, 2014 17:08:27 GMT
FINAL
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Celtics (blueblaze) 17 18 15 32 82
76ers (saric9) 27 29 24 23 103
Box Score
Leaders Celtics (blueblaze) 76ers (saric9)
Points Brandon Knight 16 Brook Lopez 25
Rebounds Julius Randle 12 Alex Owens 13
Assists Brandon Knight 12 Stephen Curry 10
i can already tell this is a bad shooting night.. 2-4
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Post by ballislife on Aug 8, 2014 17:09:18 GMT
3-3...mediocrity
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Post by HyperYellow on Aug 8, 2014 17:09:24 GMT
FINAL
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Trailblazers (Hyper) 22 20 22 29 93
Knicks (popnfresh) 36 21 26 23 106
Box Score
Leaders Trailblazers (Hyper) Knicks (popnfresh)
Points Elfrid Payton 19 Blake Griffin 24
Rebounds Kosta Koufos 14 Al Jefferson 13
Assists Elfrid Payton 5 LeBron James 8
Non option PG 19 points and leading scorer is bad, especially with only 5 ass. That is sucking.
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:10:32 GMT
Day 33:
Luol Deng (Kings) out 9 days.
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:10:51 GMT
Day 33
FINAL
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Raptors (Tyfreak) 25 32 32 21 110
Spurs (gotmelk) 18 20 26 16 80
Box Score
Leaders Raptors (Tyfreak) Spurs (gotmelk)
Points Brandon Roy 34 Cliff Alexander 30
Rebounds Greg Oden 12 Nerlens Noel 9
Assists Daniel Gibson 8 Terrance Ferguson 6
FINAL
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Cavaliers (entrapy) 23 31 28 10 92
Clippers (nybaseball) 14 29 33 28 104
Box Score
Leaders Cavaliers (entrapy) Clippers (nybaseball)
Points Andrea Bargnani 27 James Harden 26
Rebounds Spencer Hawes 14 Kevin Love 13
Assists Kyrie Irving 10 Chris Paul 9
FINAL
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Nuggets (springs) 20 16 19 24 79
76ers (saric9) 24 25 17 25 91
Box Score
Leaders Nuggets (springs) 76ers (saric9)
Points Chase Jeter 21 Stephen Curry 25
Rebounds Jessie Govan 9 Jonas Valanciunas 12
Assists Juwan Staten 8 Stephen Curry 9
FINAL
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Wizards (celticfan) 34 15 24 23 96
Kings (basenoc) 27 30 21 26 104
Box Score
Leaders Wizards (celticfan) Kings (basenoc)
Points Bradley Beal 22 Nikola Pekovic 19
Rebounds Robin Lopez 11 Kris Humphries 11
Assists Tony Parker 11 Rajon Rondo 8
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Pacers (shard24) 25 29 26 30 110
Pistons (walker) 25 17 23 27 92
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Leaders Pacers (shard24) Pistons (walker)
Points Harrison Barnes 34 J.J. Hickson 31
Rebounds Yi Jianlian 13 J.J. Hickson 14
Assists Michael Carter-Williams 11 Patrick Mills 6
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Timberwolves (supermaor23) 21 29 16 25 91
Lakers (getbeard) 22 25 24 25 96
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Leaders Timberwolves (supermaor23) Lakers (getbeard)
Points Derrick Rose 25 Andris Biedrins 27
Rebounds Dwight Howard 16 Andris Biedrins 18
Assists Derrick Rose 8 Damian Lillard 8
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Nets (Redrum) 16 22 22 30 90
Mavericks (swish) 23 24 19 29 95
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Leaders Nets (Redrum) Mavericks (swish)
Points DeMar DeRozan 26 DeMarcus Cousins 34
Rebounds Tibor Pleiss 13 DeMarcus Cousins 13
Assists Al-Farouq Aminu 6 Darren Collison 14
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Bucks (TheCommish) 15 29 26 25 95
Warriors (ducksrule) 37 25 27 20 109
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Leaders Bucks (TheCommish) Warriors (ducksrule)
Points DeAndre Kane 30 Tyreke Evans 37
Rebounds Chris Walker 16 Anthony Randolph 16
Assists DeAndre Kane 8 Ben McLemore 7
FINAL
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Grizzlies (Brazilian) 26 27 21 23 97
Magic (shorty) 28 20 28 28 104
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Leaders Grizzlies (Brazilian) Magic (shorty)
Points Russell Westbrook 30 Jabari Parker 26
Rebounds Andre Drummond 10 Serge Ibaka 11
Assists Russell Westbrook 10 Ty Lawson 15
FINAL
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Knicks (popnfresh) 20 20 19 20 79
Suns (crazyguy) 30 35 23 28 116
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Leaders Knicks (popnfresh) Suns (crazyguy)
Points LeBron James 26 Danilo Gallinari 55
Rebounds Al Jefferson 12 Amare Stoudemire 13
Assists Tyus Jones 8 Danilo Gallinari 8
FINAL
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Jazz (gmgreggor) 14 24 21 21 80
Thunder (logistician) 23 25 27 23 98
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Leaders Jazz (gmgreggor) Thunder (logistician)
Points Shabazz Muhammad 20 Kevin Durant 28
Rebounds Chris Kaman 11 Andrew Bynum 14
Assists Quentin Snider 6 Kevin Durant 4
FINAL - OVERTIME
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Trailblazers (Hyper) 16 27 26 24 10 103
Rockets (lakers209) 27 28 12 26 6 99
Box Score
Leaders Trailblazers (Hyper) Rockets (lakers209)
Points Wayne Ellington 23 John Wall 24
Rebounds Rasmus Larsen 9 Marc Gasol 17
Assists Elfrid Payton 7 John Wall 14
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Post by daedalus on Aug 8, 2014 17:11:17 GMT
FINAL
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Bucks (TheCommish) 15 29 26 25 95
Warriors (ducksrule) 37 25 27 20 109
Box Score
Leaders Bucks (TheCommish) Warriors (ducksrule)
Points DeAndre Kane 30 Tyreke Evans 37
Rebounds Chris Walker 16 Anthony Randolph 16
Assists DeAndre Kane 8 Ben McLemore 7
A nice L along with Kane and Walker playing well. Love it.
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